The right to repair

[TheOldHokie]

That explains why half the internet is slow and doesn't work.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

In the 'good old dayze', most alarm companies sanded off the chip ids, though you could 'reverse engineer' that stuff fairly fast. First generation PICs that had 'read protection', could be read if you put your mind to it. New ones, can't be done though. LOTUS123 was a '2 copies only' setup, on a PC. Take the 5 1/4 disks to a RadioShack TRS80 though and you could make a zillion copies... Same held true for DBASEIII.
The QR programs for CV19 shot verifcation are almost all open sourced, and a few 'tweeks' allow full access to any 'smart' phone.....

 

[nbryan]

That explains why half the internet is slow and doesn't work.

Yes it does, the half that runs proprietary closed code software.
Linux servers are some of the fastest, most secure servers out there BECAUSE there's widespread community support in keeping it that way.
That's why half the internet servers use linux.
Are you saying that's incorrect, because it's open source?

 

[JimmyJazz]

Does anyone know what the average Kubota dealerships gross revenues are and what the owner might earn annually?

 

[Henro]

I think I'll go get a beer now...ROFLMAO...

(I actually forgot the original thread topic, but have enjoyed reading the posts...)

After posting this I will go back and see what the original post/question was...

(PS...I did go back and check...)

 

[Fordtech86]

I think I'll go get a beer now

Mind grabbing me one too?

 

[Henro]

Mind grabbing me one too?

Will do...but since you are not here...you know where it will go!

 

[TheOldHokie]

Yes it does, the half that runs proprietary closed code software.
Linux servers are some of the fastest, most secure servers out there BECAUSE there's widespread community support in keeping it that way.
That's why half the internet servers use linux.
Are you saying that's incorrect, because it's open source?

I thought the OS wars ended decades ago.

Linux/Apache enterprise web servers are fast and secure because you pay big bucks for talented commercial support and package managemen to keep them that way. "Open source" - yes. Free - no.

This has nothing to do with my comments on the quality of the free junk floating around the open source community.

Dan

 

[whitetiger]

Does anyone know what the average Kubota dealerships gross revenues are and what the owner might earn annually?

It's more than a penny and less than the national debt.

 

[Deleted member 47704]

Yes it does, the half that runs proprietary closed code software.
Linux servers are some of the fastest, most secure servers out there BECAUSE there's widespread community support in keeping it that way.
That's why half the internet servers use linux.
Are you saying that's incorrect, because it's open source?

No not at all, I'm saying that open source is usually written by non professionals and is lacking.

I think I'll go get a beer now...ROFLMAO...

(I actually forgot the original thread topic, but have enjoyed reading the posts...)

After posting this I will go back and see what the original post/question was...

(PS...I did go back and check...)

So what was it?

(I'm not getting dragged into an argument that won't change my mind)

 

[Deleted member 47704]

Does anyone know what the average Kubota dealerships gross revenues are and what the owner might earn annually?

It must be a lot because there are dealers and Kubotas all over the place.

 

[random]

No not at all, I'm saying that open source is usually written by non professionals and is lacking.

I'm just curious what your experience is that leads you to that conclusion? Not saying it's right or wrong, just asking, as it doesn't quite match mine. (Not trying to change anyone's mind, just genuinely curious)

 

[lugbolt]

what little bit of management I did, we were lucky to clear 10% margin. after all the bills were paid. Average.

hardly making a lot of money.

 

[lugbolt]

It must be a lot because there are dealers and Kubotas all over the place.

Just because you see a lot of them doesn't mean they're making bank. It just means that Kubota's making sure dealers are everywhere. Deere does the same thing except Deere isn't picky about who can sell their products. Home depot, lowes, whatever....mass marketing. I bet Kubota tries it too in the future.

 

[dlsmith]

Deere does the same thing except Deere isn't picky about who can sell their products.

Yes they are. A local Deere dealer, for over 60 years, had it's dealership pulled because they were still in the original building, which didn't meet up to Deere's standards. It was a brick building with a lot of glass in the showroom area and was always kept in good repair and appearance. It was on a US highway on the edge of town.
Now there's an appliance store there.

 

[lugbolt]

Yes they are. A local Deere dealer, for over 60 years, had it's dealership pulled because they were still in the original building, which didn't meet up to Deere's standards. It was a brick building with a lot of glass in the showroom area and was always kept in good repair and appearance. It was on a US highway on the edge of town.
Now there's an appliance store there.

exactly what happened to the dealer I was at too! Deere came in there, early 2000's (roughly, IIRC 2003?) and said we want you to sell nothing but deere, and you're going to have to buy/rent a bigger place. Boss said bye-bye, and from then on we focused on Kubota. Notice you see Deere equipment at big box stores. Kubota, you get at dealers (only)-which I am in agreement with. But-in 2017 Kubota came in and said hey we want you to move, to get a bigger place, and carry bigger/more expensive stuff. Exactly like Deere did. Boss said "see ya"-and retired. Can't blame him. Left 12 of us out to dry but luckily the new owners liked us. Unfortunately not all of us liked the GM.

I haven't forgotten about the deal with Deere. I was in on the conversations so I know exactly how it went down. They had been putting the pressure on for about 2 years prior.

There are a lot of downsides to forcing dealers to carry certain items and forcing them to 'move', and there are upsides too. Income has the opportunity to go way up, for one. But with that you will lose some customers. I saw it happen. Twice. When a mom and pop shop is set up, and does business with integrity and character, it thrives as much as it can. Then when the mom and pop shop "feel" goes away, some of those customers ain't gonna come back-and they didn't. They spread the word that so-and-so dealer has gone "corporate" (to to speak), they don't care about the little guy and their needs, yaddya yaddya...and again, they're not wrong. But they'll also gain some customers. The question is, will they gain as many as they lose? That-is the question. In my case, no. Small town, word gets around in minutes when someone passes gas sideways. In small town areas you can't afford to lose any customers. Now that I have a small taste of corporate dealership, I told them to find another tech, and I went to a mom and pop powersports dealer and I love it. A lot of the same old-school customers shop there often, so I know them and know how they like things done.

 

[Daren Todd]

exactly what happened to the dealer I was at too! Deere came in there, early 2000's (roughly, IIRC 2003?) and said we want you to sell nothing but deere, and you're going to have to buy/rent a bigger place. Boss said bye-bye, and from then on we focused on Kubota. Notice you see Deere equipment at big box stores. Kubota, you get at dealers (only)-which I am in agreement with. But-in 2017 Kubota came in and said hey we want you to move, to get a bigger place, and carry bigger/more expensive stuff. Exactly like Deere did. Boss said "see ya"-and retired. Can't blame him. Left 12 of us out to dry but luckily the new owners liked us. Unfortunately not all of us liked the GM.

I haven't forgotten about the deal with Deere. I was in on the conversations so I know exactly how it went down. They had been putting the pressure on for about 2 years prior.

There are a lot of downsides to forcing dealers to carry certain items and forcing them to 'move', and there are upsides too. Income has the opportunity to go way up, for one. But with that you will lose some customers. I saw it happen. Twice. When a mom and pop shop is set up, and does business with integrity and character, it thrives as much as it can. Then when the mom and pop shop "feel" goes away, some of those customers ain't gonna come back-and they didn't. They spread the word that so-and-so dealer has gone "corporate" (to to speak), they don't care about the little guy and their needs, yaddya yaddya...and again, they're not wrong. But they'll also gain some customers. The question is, will they gain as many as they lose? That-is the question. In my case, no. Small town, word gets around in minutes when someone passes gas sideways. In small town areas you can't afford to lose any customers. Now that I have a small taste of corporate dealership, I told them to find another tech, and I went to a mom and pop powersports dealer and I love it. A lot of the same old-school customers shop there often, so I know them and know how they like things done.

Looked like quite the shindig going on over at your place Saturday. Wife wouldn't let me stop and go down the slide on the bounce house though

 

[GeoHorn]

As for “right to repair”…. there’s a corollary in aviation: The Owner is held responsible by Federal Regulation for keeping an airplane in “airworthy” condition…. but it takes a distinct certification Owners may not hold…..an “A&P” certificate … to legally make repairs. If an “Owner” makes repairs to his airplane without that certification he’s liable to prosecution. It’s a “Catch 22” situation.

It’s ridiculous to expect an end-user to purchase machinery which cannot be maintained due to with-held information & tools necessary to accomplish the repair. I’ll never purchase a JD for this reason.

 

[lugbolt]

Looked like quite the shindig going on over at your place Saturday. Wife wouldn't let me stop and go down the slide on the bounce house though

must have been. I escaped (took the day off)--which was planned for months prior.

 

[lugbolt]

So this is also a subject that I've been watching for the last 20 some years, not really the "right" to repair, rather the ability.

Lawn equipment, most of you can repair at home. Tractors >25hp, and most all automobiles, not so much. You need an engineering degree to fix a lot of it now. The government doesn't want you messing with it because the average person doesn't have the training and/or experience to effectively return that equipment back to oem specifications. They're doing everything they can to remove you (and me) from fixing our own stuff for that very reason. They say "it's too dangerous" to fix your own stuff, but what they're really saying is "we don't want you to modify". Diesels in particular, but they're also going after the gasoline and auto racing markets, backdooring them. You can't buy off-road mid pipes for certain vehicles now. People that made and sold them are being forced to stop offering them. For a while, you could still get them but you had to check the option "I understand that this part cannot be used on a vehicle that will be used on public roadways", but now because of some attorneys, that no longer flies either.

and on that note, there are 'people' that watch these and forums, actively. I know this for fact. They are not members, they do not join, but they certainly watch them. Who are they? manufacturer representatives, government representatives, people you wouldn't think, do. There is a good reason I do not participate in threads that go into bypassing safety devices and modifying emissions control equipment.