The right to repair

ItBmine

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Dealers make lots of money on service and repairs.

OEMs make little and provide parts, etc., mostly because they must.

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I used to hear this all the time from my class 8 truck dealer. "We don't make any money on a sale"

But then they could suddenly drop fifteen thousand on a unit when you walk out the door to go buy somewhere else, LOL
 

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I've never heard a dealer claim that OEMs make lots of money from dealer service work warranty or otherwise.

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Especially when you have Ford dealers like mine that charge Ford Warranty twice to do the same job, LOL
 

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The OEM "sells" the dealer their cars.
The OEM "sells" the dealer their parts.
The OEM "sells" the dealer their training.
The OEM "sells" the dealer their tools/software.
The OEM makes money off everything they touch, the dealer lives off the labor and the crumbs.

Kind of a dog and tail thing.
All true, yet OEMs make very little profit on service and repair work.

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I've never heard a dealer claim that OEMs make lots of money from dealer service work warranty or otherwise.

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Especially when you have Ford dealers like mine that charge Ford Warranty twice to do the same job, LOL
Now, I do agree with that.

Warranty fraud is rampant.

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Now, I do agree with that.

Warranty fraud is rampant.

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We had an International truck dealer in my town that had their dealership pulled from them. I actually used to go 12 hours away to buy mine and avoid them.

Anyway my friend bought a new 9900i from them and found out there was 60-some warranty claims against it. It had NEVER been in the shop, LOL
 

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Now that is what a fanboy sounds like folks.

Open source if fun for playing, and fast for cogging something together cheap.

Linux distros led the industry in patches and breaches last year. This next year will be a doozy with the current apache hack going around.

No problem with any of it, code is code, but painting with a broad brush that open source is so wonderful isn't very accurate.

And if Linux cost real money like real enterprise software, there would be no market share, be honest.
I'm curious if you work in the industry?

Linux is used in "enterprise" systems all the time, as are other open source products like MySQL/MariaDB and Apache. My employer and our customers would be good examples of that.

By no means is that definitive that ONLY linux is used - there's a WIDE variety of products used for all sorts of reasons. You say its not accurate to use a broad brush to say OS is wonderful, but likewise it's not accurate to do the same to say it's all bad, or that commercial software is all good.

I will certainly grant that the Log4J exploit certainly demonstrates that the mantra of "open source is more secure because there are more eyes on it" is not quite true.
 

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I will certainly grant that the Log4J exploit certainly demonstrates that the mantra of "open source is more secure because there are more eyes on it" is not quite true.
It only took those eyes a decade to find this vulnerability. I don't currently work in the industry but I did for 40 years. and I never held great stock in that mantra. Security by obscurity does actually work as well and some think it works even better.

Open source is a very broad brush. Linux, Apache, MySql all started as free open source projects but have morphed into something much different. Enterprise distributions are managed very carefully by the companies that sell them. Oh - excuse me - that sell support for them. They are highly reliable products and work wonderfully but they are a tiny fraction of the open source software that abounds on the internet.

Dan
 

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The point I was making is that unelected employees of the EPA are making the rules. They have to take comments from the public, but they don't have to act on them.
I've been through this with the BIA and the Department of Interior when the State of Montana took my project water right and gave it to an Indian tribe. Clearly a 5th amendment taking without compensation. I commented publicly for 10 years as did some of the 2400 irrigators in the same situation. They took our comments, our citing of the laws that formed the project, and then took our water rights. We were not even allowed to testify during Congressional hearings. So don't tell me that unelected government agency employees don't get away with unconstitutional actions. And Congress approved it in one of those midnight budget bills that nobody read. That's why we now live in Idaho!
The decision which resulted from your “water right” claims was taken in consideration of the fact that native American rights preceded your claims.
 
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I'm curious if you work in the industry?

Linux is used in "enterprise" systems all the time, as are other open source products like MySQL/MariaDB and Apache. My employer and our customers would be good examples of that.

By no means is that definitive that ONLY linux is used - there's a WIDE variety of products used for all sorts of reasons. You say its not accurate to use a broad brush to say OS is wonderful, but likewise it's not accurate to do the same to say it's all bad, or that commercial software is all good.

I will certainly grant that the Log4J exploit certainly demonstrates that the mantra of "open source is more secure because there are more eyes on it" is not quite true.
I went back and did not see where I said anything was bad?

Yes, my company gets most of our revenue from hosting and primarily ecommerce hosting.

Linux sits on about 20% of our servers and honestly if some clients didn't demand it, I would drop it in a second. Linux has by far the highest TCO of any servers we maintain. The last two years have been pretty brutal on the maintenance. Meanwhile, the Windows world in the server market has been pretty much lights out for the last few years. TCO on Windows beats linux in our operation 3 to 1 and that is PAYING full price for windows.

If it wasn't free it would not have any market share at all. And again, I don't care, code is code, but as a business owner paying the bills, the TCO is very important.

And the Log4J exploit sounds cute, but it is a full access breach and there are thousands of servers being attacked every minute as we speak. It took over two full days (50+ hrs) to chase it down in our operation and like I said above it doesn't play that large of a role in our company.

I have a buddy out west that owns a large hosting company with over 10,000 linux servers and about the same number of Windows boxes. He said they have been scrambling to patch Log4J exploit 24/7 for the last few weeks and have at least a couple weeks to go. They also managed to break several of the apps that were being hosted while patching. It is a really bad exploit.

And the last point I want to make is support. If we have an issue with a Windows site, we can actually talk to the IIS programmer group. Try to find that level of support on ANYTHING linux, I know we have not been able to.
 

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Which is more orange…?
 

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The decision which resulted from your “water right” claims was taken in consideration of the fact that native American rights preceded your claims.
Not so. Where did you get that observation? Our rights and the tribe's rights were created by the US at the same time when the project was created.
 

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Not so. Where did you get that observation? Our rights and the tribe's rights were created by the US at the same time when the project was created.
Th US cannot "create" rights that have always existed. Other than the US giving itself the "rights" to invade and destroy the cultures that had existed here for tens of thousands of years. False rights, not right.
It is difficult but the recognition of this mostly European invader led destruction of the myriad of nations that covered this continent is needed.
 

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Th US cannot "create" rights that have always existed. Other than the US giving itself the "rights" to invade and destroy the cultures that had existed here for tens of thousands of years. False rights, not right.
It is difficult but the recognition of this mostly European invader led destruction of the myriad of nations that covered this continent is needed.
What nonsense.

Such logic would give rights to ANY culture that ever occupied ANY territory.

Ridiculous examples need not be provided.

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What nonsense.

Such logic would give rights to ANY culture that ever occupied ANY territory.

Ridiculous examples need not be provided.

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After trying to follow this thread, I have concluded that at my age, I am regrettably happy that I will no longer care about this subject by the time it matters to me! LOL ... with tears flowing down my cheeks...LOL
 

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What nonsense.

Such logic would give rights to ANY culture that ever occupied ANY territory.

Ridiculous examples need not be provided.

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“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,….”

Unalienable means that subsequent peoples cannot obviate earlier residents’ Creator-endowed Rights.
 

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“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,….”

Unalienable means that subsequent peoples cannot obviate earlier residents’ Creator-endowed Rights.
I was merely trying to cite an example of unelected bureaucrats making rules and violating my constitutional right in property. I didn't mean to throw the thread off the tracks. So let's get back on track. The subject is "the right to repair".
 

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It will get better when we go full electric…I mean anyone can just drop the battery pack out from under their electric car to replace the cell blocks when they go bad. Sure beats spending $17,000 at the shop to have us do it 😉 (that was the cost to replace 2 of the 4 cell blocks)
That is so obviously such a great concept!