Fixing hole in side of block

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Also: Do not forget......
Recommended minimum compression is 325psi.
Tested maximum compression was reported as 300psi.
Is there a clue here about longevity potential?
Joe measured compression cold.
325psi is minimum value measured when engine is hot.

And.... in my humble opinion the manufacturers set values to sell new engines and to start at temperatures of 50 below. I don't think Joe is living in that kind of climate. Even below minimum it may still run for a long time. Sand concerns and running without coolant concerns remain though....
 
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Hmmm, five more hours running in dusty environment with no air filter.
Dusty grit may actually help, :) since there is likely no crosshatching in those cylinders.
Then too: perhaps the sand on "earth" always stays on the ground?
 
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Dusty grit may actually help, :) since there is likely no crosshatching in those cylinders.
Then too: perhaps the sand on "earth" always stays on the ground?
You read my mind. Was going to say maybe sand will crosshatch cylinder walls. 🤣
 
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From post # 779:

After running engine 10-12 hours, oil still full…

[ snip ]

…take off radiator one more time, take off injection pump, put another 2 shim under it and use that gasket maker, surgical style

when removed, i do remember 3 shims or more that were there, I only installed one kubota shim…


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My question is: What’s the likelyhood that the engine is going to run, if two more shims are placed under the injector pump? Plus also adding gasket maker on them as well?
 
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From post # 779:

After running engine 10-12 hours, oil still full…

[ snip ]

…take off radiator one more time, take off injection pump, put another 2 shim under it and use that gasket maker, surgical style

when removed, i do remember 3 shims or more that were there, I only installed one kubota shim…


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My question is: What’s the likelyhood that the engine is going to run, if two more shims are placed under the injector pump? Plus also adding gasket maker on them as well?
Not to worry,.....Joe..... "will figure it out" !
 
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What’s the likelyhood that the engine is going to run, if two more shims are placed under the injector pump?
The shim is very thin metal, they put under it, 3 of them does not add any actual height, I take picture now and show you

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Here are three of them that come out, looking in pile of parts, there could have been more in there

and they did have gasket maker on it when i removed it

@hagrid and @Henro

yes i listen, i did not know how important that detail is

in the video, you see it is not enough of leak to make puddle underneath, but it is coming down gearcase, small amount

we see what it look like once I get back to it in couple hour

I might do 2 shim and some rtv, tiny bit

plan once I get back: figure out injection pump leak, take off radiator, paint engine one last time, thin coat

I should have time to do more progress, thinking of which way to go: maybe put all the wheels back on, I know the seat is torn, but is salveable,

If I had kubota orange, today would have been a good day to clean, paint orange parts, then install them

another task: after painting and fixing seal, start to build the area that hold battery and air cleaner, install them, hook up wiring on alternator and put good battery,

later once I get back to it, nature tell us the correct way to go

big narrative for those that want the GOLD, and i mean literally

the amount of energy I have wasted putting it back together so many times, I could have built 4 or of these engines

one little detail could have given you the gold:

as you put together fully clean engine, you use finger to dab gasket maker on all the coupling areas of potential leakage,

that little dab on your finger of rtv is the difference between:

you give up on the engine because too much work to take it apart again and

woah, that machine running, creating wealth, shaping the earth, not leaking with zero issue, or

if you are selling it, customer show up and see it idling harmoniously, and the paint is so beautiful on the engine, nothing is leaking to ruin that beautiful paint, customer happy to hand you GOLD

This is last day to work on it, then we continue in 3 week

@D2Cat
yes when I get back to it, we look though pile of parts, I did save them all, there could have been more in there, I remember it being unusual


@whitetiger
when breaking in engine, I am trying to run it as low as possible without it shutting down, I do not have rpm gauge to look at, only oil pressure to judge its rpm

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take off intake manifold, picture is after running 5 hours yesterday, i did not clean or hit with air

plan: clean area perfectly, get engine running, shine light, find the culprit, maybe spray soapy water

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use small brush to apply part cleaner

hit with compressed air


leak found

exact step to find leak: hit with compressed, brush area with solvent, hit again with compressed air, shine light and use pointy object

It is an oil like like wolf stated

observation for today cold start and idle: she started even easier, seesaw idle going away, sitting at 38 psi oil pressure

I guess break in is a real thing, engine went through one big hot cold cycle, and bearings etc are shaping their way,

kinda like we get comfortable to sit down for long time to watch movie


ok, clip 20 minute after last clip, show you that leak is tiny on injection pump seat,

am i only one that notice, she has less resistence than yesterday? She move through her motion less interrupted...

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empty water, remove radiator, remove injection pump

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took out injection pump, leak along top left of shim, making its way downward toward gearcase

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area on injection that couple with leaking area on engine, notice it is more oil than other area


seal leak surgically, repaint engine, reassemble one last time

idea that would eliminate all worry, eliminate all doubt and wasted energy:

Buid something where you assemble engine fully, without putting onto tractor

Assemble engine, give it diesel, run water lines away, then start it and get it up to working temp

Reveal all the leaks, do all your surgeries right there without engine on tractor, once you have zero leak,

do your perfect paint job, slap entire engine onto tractor

Full blown assurance that you wont have to take it apart 6 times

I know this is advanced, but I am sure dinosaur have way to finangle something for next d1301 build (starting november possibly)

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original shims from this build, clean them in solvent, sand them with 1000 grit, clean their seat on block with 1000 grit, dab a little gasket maker on edges, make sure you place injection pump latch into its position properly...

filed all surfaces using abrasives of all kind, clean everything with solvent

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had to take out cubby hole again to make sure:

when injection pump fall into place, you must ensure the latch is in the fork properly, or it will cause runaway like it did on first start up

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I try to show you how you seal the engine, without any doubt, all surface primed for sealer properly, finger spread gasket maker across all surface, bulletproof way to build engine (where you could have leak)

after taking this picture, i notice the shims were on backward, slot to accomodate latch should be on bottom right

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surgical seal complete, tiny bit gasket maker on all surface, finger applying it on perfect clean surface

imagine that it come back to life without any leak, and that the 4 shim make it idle even better

Now: install intake manifold, reinstall injector line, spray with part cleaner everything getting painted, hit with compressed air, hit with kubota blue
 
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They change the injection timing.
Yes, North Idaho Wolfman has said many times that they are critical to the injection timing, so much so that even a light layer of ANYTHING between the shim(s), even some dirt on the surface is detrimental.

That is why I asked the question...
 
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Whatever shims you remove from an injection pump you install the same back or your timing will be off.
 
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You really need to have the same number and size (yes they come in different thicknesses) then what was in it originally as that sets the injection timing of the motor.
The shims are sized to the block and not the pump.

If you do not know exactly which shims came off of that block (real downside to tearing into mutiple motors and not keeping parts separated) you will need to follow the WSM on how to do a spill test and set the shim count and the timing.
You DO NOT use RTV or any sealant on those shims.
Doing so changes the thickness of the shims thus ruining what you are trying to do.
You could use a very light coat of copper sealer if you so desire.
But really they have a sealing surface built in.

Also If you getting a diesel leak its not those shims causing it, there is no diesel under there.
It's just a very light splash of oil.
A diesel leak will be at the Delivery valves or lines, I will not even go into why you shouldn't open those as you will anyways so good luck.
 
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That would be spray copper not rtv.
 
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Repainted engine, keep reassembling

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2nd paint job not as good as first, proof that better to do it all in one shot

now: let it cure for a bit, try to get radiator on without disturbing fresh paint


while paint drying, before putting on radiator, check make sure all four hubs have gear oil in them, and research how to check transmission fluid, take out the filter, clean transmission filter

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2.1 quart gear oil into front differential

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made sure gear oil still in each separate left and right hub, yes, pour back in

Now: check transmission fluid, clean transmission filter

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cant take off transmission filter without touching wet paint, removed transmission drain, let some fluid out, fluid looked clean

took out fill port, bottom of hammer pointing to it,

used rest of transmission fluid i had laying around, fluid did not come out of fill port, need more transmission fluid

i guess thats as far as i can get

Clean up shop, continue in 3 week
 
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You know, I've see threads like this over the years, usually out of Ethiopia through a DNS (nope!) proxy server; the last one was about building an R/C helicopter from wood...all of the threads I've read ended badly, the R/C guy at least admitted in the end he was conning people to feed his family. Granted this Joe guy seems like he's not in Ethiopia, but the theme is very similar.

From my years of reading:

It's not about learning, it's about keeping the thread going long enough to build an investment with the readers and garner donations. "I don't have enough money for brand-name epoxy," but yet can buy full welding gas bottles. And learning to braze wasn't actually a critical skill he wanted to learn once it became obvious welding cast iron didn't have a hack shortcut.

It's not about documenting for others to learn: Gambling isn't about winning and casinos know that, it's about the drama along the way, much like this thread and a few catchy themes members caught on to.

It's not about doing a good job, it's about getting paid: No matter how much good advice is given, like using metal epoxy, it's about making things look shiny and new on the cheap, and longevity isn't an issue because Joe isn't going to be using the tractor. Cleaning and using abrasives on everything made stuff look nice and took everything out of tolerance--that engine is junk.

You have to think about what's next, after the tractor is running: It's getting sold off to someone who thinks they're getting a mint tractor, and really they're getting screwed. Look at Joe's "shop," you think he's making the tractor look that nice for himself? Who are we kidding, it would be the one nice looking thing Joe owns, and Joe is far more practical than that.

The Ethiopian R/C guy was trying to feed his family...I'm fine with that. He had tons of talent sculpting things from wood, which is commendable. But he used his talents to scam others instead of selling his woodwork on Etsy and making an honest dollar, and that guy was in the end no better than the phone scammers claiming to be from the IRS and scamming the elderly out of their life savings if they can, or the "Microsoft Tech Support" that found a virus on your computer and will help you fix it for $50 (and plant a virus to steal your banking information).

Joe is a scammer. No matter how much you want things to add up they won't any time you peel back the veneer and look below the surface, because the story he's wanting you to believe isn't the whole story. That's why he's always listening and wants your advice, but doesn't follow it until he has to. Brazing in a patch and grinding it flush would have made the engine look undamaged (like the rest of the work he's doing), which is why he didn't take the epoxy advice until he had to--and why do you think he ground down the epoxy patch against member's advice, then painted over it? Yeah, it's about the payout, not a strong and lasting patch, and this project is going to come at someone else's expense.

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Thank you @ejb11235 for the correction, and @RCW for the joke.
 
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Well... I'm going to continue to visit this thread because my lil' kitty-beast likes to watch as well and he loves all the sand-centric photos.

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I hope the buyer of this rebuilt tractor joins OTT so we can actually see how long it runs after a Joe's Garage rebuild. I would like to know the number of hours spent on this machine when done. Must be 50 hours just painting and repainting plus cleaning the gun each coat :unsure:.
 
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Well... I'm going to continue to visit this thread because my lil' kitty-beast likes to watch as well and he loves all the sand-centric photos.

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You got that right! Who in their right mind would open a fill plug with all that sand laying everywhere?

When Joe acknowledges every post no matter what the content is indicates he wants everyone to keep participating.
 
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You know, I've see threads like this over the years, usually out of Ethiopia through a DNS server; the last one was about building an R/C helicopter from wood...all of the threads I've read ended badly, the R/C guy at least admitted in the end he was conning people to feed his family. Granted this Joe guy seems like he's not in Ethiopia, but the theme is very similar.

From my years of reading:

It's not about learning, it's about keeping the thread going long enough to build an investment with the readers and garner donations. "I don't have enough money for brand-name epoxy," but yet can buy full welding gas bottles. And learning to braze wasn't actually a critical skill he wanted to learn once it became obvious welding cast iron didn't have a hack shortcut.

It's not about documenting for others to learn: Gambling isn't about winning and casinos know that, it's about the drama along the way, much like this thread and a few catchy themes members caught on to.

It's not about doing a good job, it's about getting paid: No matter how much good advice is given, like using metal epoxy, it's about making things look shiny and new on the cheap, and longevity isn't an issue because Joe isn't going to be using the tractor. Cleaning and using abrasives on everything made stuff look nice and took everything out of tolerance--that engine is junk.

You have to think about what's next, after the tractor is running: It's getting sold off to someone who thinks they're getting a mint tractor, and really they're getting screwed. Look at Joe's "shop," you think he's making the tractor look that nice for himself? Who are we kidding, it would be the one nice looking thing Joe owns, and Joe is far more practical than that.

The Ethiopian R/C guy was trying to feed his family...I'm fine with that. He had tons of talent sculpting things from wood, which is commendable. But he used his talents to scam others instead of selling his woodwork on Etsy and making an honest dollar, and that guy was in the end no better than the phone scammers claiming to be from the IRS and scamming the elderly out of their life savings if they can, or the "Microsoft Tech Support" that found a virus on your computer and will help you fix it for $50 (and plant a virus to steal your banking information).

Joe is a scammer. No matter how much you want things to add up they won't any time you peel back the veneer and look below the surface, because the story he's wanting you to believe isn't the whole story. That's why he's always listening and wants your advice, but doesn't follow it until he has to. Brazing in a patch and grinding it flush would have made the engine look undamaged (like the rest of the work he's doing), which is why he didn't take the epoxy advice until he had to--and why do you think he ground down the epoxy patch against member's advice, then painted over it? Yeah, it's about the payout, not a strong and lasting patch, and this project is going to come at someone else's expense.
I understand what you are saying about people that are doing things to somehow gain some money (or whatever) from other's.

BUT I don't see any way that Joe is profiting from this thread. None, other that getting some great advice that he may or may not decide to follow.

And it has been an interesting read so far. So he has given more to me than he has taken, for sure.

I am not sure calling Joe a scammer is justified. Could be if his purpose is to sell the tractor to an unsuspecting buyer, claiming most perfect condition. But for the thread here, I don't see how he is gaining anything other than advice and criticism, and certainly the criticism is in greater quantity than the advice!
 
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I understand what you are saying about people that are doing things to somehow gain some money (or whatever) from other's.

BUT I don't see any way that Joe is profiting from this thread. None, other that getting some great advice that he may or may not decide to follow.

And it has been an interesting read so far. So he has given more to me than he has taken, for sure.

I am not sure calling Joe a scammer is justified. Could be if his purpose is to sell the tractor to an unsuspecting buyer, claiming most perfect condition. But for the thread here, I don't see how he is gaining anything other than advice and criticism, and certainly the criticism is in greater quantity than the advice!
In a moment of weakness I wanted to post the 800th post in this thread! Hope I am successful... :ROFLMAO:

Ahh...success. May reward myself by turning in early tonight!

(while waiting for the next episode in the series...LOL)
 
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