2001 BX2200 won't turn over... relay (re-)wiring question

[#40Fan]

At a minimum a 6 amp. But, if you have the $$, bigger the better.

I see that switch now has a black w/ white stripe wire on it.

By chance, is there a black w/ white wire anywhere near the ignition switch wiring?

 

[martinlaurentide]

At a minimum a 6 amp. But, if you have the $$, bigger the better.

I see that switch now has a black w/ white stripe wire on it.

By chance, is there a black w/ white wire anywhere near the ignition switch wiring?

 

[martinlaurentide]

B/w was the other side of the green no? Checking chargers.

 

[#40Fan]

B/w was the other side of the green no? Checking chargers.

Yes, but now I'm wondering if the black/white wire might have fallen out of the connector, and someone stuck the green in there by mistake.

Or, if that was their fix for a bad safety switch.

 

[martinlaurentide]

Yes, but now I'm wondering if the black/white wire might have fallen out of the connector, and someone stuck the green in there by mistake.

No it was like that for sure

 

[#40Fan]

No it was like that for sure

I went back and re-read your original post and seen that it was like that from the beginning.

Alright, now the question is....

Do you want this to start using the key and insure all of the safety switches work?

-Or-

Do you just want it to start?

 

[wgator]

Question on those relays. All those I have seen like that have a schematic on one side that shows x1, x2, c, no, nc contacts. Do they have anything like that or at least a part number on them?

 

[#40Fan]

Question on those relays. All those I have seen like that have a schematic on one side that shows x1, x2, c, no, nc contacts. Do they have anything like that or at least a part number on them?

Post 19 has a schematic on how the relay works.

 

[martinlaurentide]

I went back and re-read your original post and seen that it was like that from the beginning.

Alright, now the question is....

Do you want this to start using the key and insure all of the safety switches work?

-Or-

Do you just want it to start?

Start now. Key soon after. lol
Since.i do.have a charger and always wanted a battery pack. Would the latter work now or do I need a proper 2/4/6/8 amp charger? The latter appears best Price/ performance available now.

 

[#40Fan]

You could use the small charger to bring the battery back up over time, but it will take a while.

The battery packs are nice to have in case of emergency, but the larger amp battery chargers are better for a dead battery.

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If you want it to start now, turn the key to on, connect the red (85/86) wire to the starter's battery post (with the 30/87 going to the terminal that had the black wire) like I asked you to do earlier to get the starter to engage. Might need to turn the key to the glow plug position for a bit first if it is cold where you are.

-Or-

Take that red (85/86) wire and cut/splice it into the green wire. If you do this, you'll need to make sure that the green wire is fully seated into the plug. Later on, you can figure out what switch is causing the problem.

I would clean up/shorten all of the wiring going to the relay and get it up out of the way to ensure something doesn't happen to it.

This would require a battery fully charged though!

 

[martinlaurentide]

Start now. Key soon after. lol
Since.i do.have a charger and always wanted a battery pack. Would the latter work now or do I need a proper 2/4/6/8 amp charger? The latter appears best Price/ performance available now.

I actually have a more powerful old school charger but it's not here...

 

[martinlaurentide]

You could use the small charger to bring the battery back up over time, but it will take a while.

The battery packs are nice to have in case of emergency, but the larger amp battery chargers are better for a dead batter.

******

If you want it to start now, turn the key to on, connect the red wire to the starter's battery post like I asked you to do earlier to get the starter to engage. Might need to turn the key to the glow plug position for a bit first if it is cold where you are.

-Or-

Take that red wire and cut/splice it into the green wire. If you do this, you'll need to make sure that the green wire is fully seated into the plug. Later on, you can figure out what switch is causing the problem.

I would clean up/shorten all of the wiring going to the relay and get it up out of the way to ensure something doesn't happen to it.

This would require a battery fully charged though!

I will go back out and check.

 

[#40Fan]

Use the old school charger to get your battery volts back up.

The newer battery chargers are finicky about supplying voltage to batteries with low voltage while the old school chargers just charge without issue.

You can buy one of the smaller boosters if you'd like.

 

[martinlaurentide]

Question on those relays. All those I have seen like that have a schematic on one side that shows x1, x2, c, no, nc contacts. Do they have anything like that or at least a part number on them?

All the ones iv used have 85,86,87 (87b), 30

 

[martinlaurentide]

You could use the small charger to bring the battery back up over time, but it will take a while.

The battery packs are nice to have in case of emergency, but the larger amp battery chargers are better for a dead battery.

******

If you want it to start now, turn the key to on, connect the red (85/86) wire to the starter's battery post like I asked you to do earlier to get the starter to engage. Might need to turn the key to the glow plug position for a bit first if it is cold where you are.

-Or-

Take that red (85/86) wire and cut/splice it into the green wire. If you do this, you'll need to make sure that the green wire is fully seated into the plug. Later on, you can figure out what switch is causing the problem.

I would clean up/shorten all of the wiring going to the relay and get it up out of the way to ensure something doesn't happen to it.

This would require a battery fully charged though!

I can't find the post where you asked me to do one more test . To boost the battery, I could start a motorcycle and connect it up if needed. I will leave the trickle on overnight. I could also get the tractor to run, maybe and leave it on fast to charge no?

 

[martinlaurentide]

You could use the small charger to bring the battery back up over time, but it will take a while.

The battery packs are nice to have in case of emergency, but the larger amp battery chargers are better for a dead battery.

******

If you want it to start now, turn the key to on, connect the red (85/86) wire to the starter's battery post (with the 30/87 going to the terminal that had the black wire) like I asked you to do earlier to get the starter to engage. Might need to turn the key to the glow plug position for a bit first if it is cold where you are.
I did this and started it. When's it's warmer, I'll turn it up and it will charge...

-Or-

Take that red (85/86) wire and cut/splice it into the green wire. If you do this, you'll need to make sure that the green wire is fully seated into the plug. Later on, you can figure out what switch is causing the problem.

I would clean up/shorten all of the wiring going to the relay and get it up out of the way to ensure something doesn't happen to it.

This would require a battery fully charged though!

S i could consider this if I don't figure out those 2 switches

 

[#40Fan]

I can't find the post where you asked me to do one more test . To boost the battery, I could start a motorcycle and connect it up if needed. I will leave the trickle on overnight. I could also get the tractor to run, maybe and leave it on fast to charge no?

I deleted that last message of mine. I found where the white wires you have connected needs to go. Leave them connected.

Whatever you can do to charge that battery up, do it. No need to be in a hurry for me. If you want to leave the smaller charger on overnight, that should work.

Here is what your final wiring needs to be if you want to bypass the safety switches.

 

[#40Fan]

Wife's yelling. I'll check back later!

 

[martinlaurentide]

I deleted that last message of mine. I found where the white wires you have connected needs to go. Leave them connected.

Whatever you can do to charge that battery up, do it. No need to be in a hurry for me. If you want to leave the smaller charger on overnight, that should work.

Here is what your final wiring needs to be if you want to bypass the safety switches.

I am leaving it run to charge. Thank you so much. If ever you need anything from Canada or the Montreal region +/- 100 miles, please let me know in case I can return the favour. I will have to pull the wheels off and figure out how to test those switches I guess or just order 2 and change them both? You figure that is the issue? Until then I could just hotwire it rather than splice wires and bypass the safety features. I have one quick job to do and can order those tomorrow then do the other stuff after it works properly and I close up the sides.

 

[#40Fan]

One last thing, since the wife is busy....

You can run a wire straight from the green wire to the starter's small post (where the black wire was before) and eliminate the relay completely.

If you want to check the safety switches, leave the green connected and check for battery voltage in and out of both switches.

But, you still don't know what wire down by the starter is the wire that comes from the ignition switch, through both sets of safety switches!

Maybe it is that black wire. Does it have a white stripe on it?