I tend to trust the ones not on the government payroll.It might seem that it all comes down to which scientists do you trust. There appears to be 2 sets of facts out there on this.
I tend to trust the ones not on the government payroll.It might seem that it all comes down to which scientists do you trust. There appears to be 2 sets of facts out there on this.
So if they show up vaccinated, asymptomatic, and with a high load/shed you’re cool with that?I'm vaccinated, as I have some at-risk characteristics, starting with my age.
I occasionally do business with an unvaccinated person at 6'+ distance.
Couple weeks ago the person was in my office, and symptomatic. I found out the symptomatic part later.....
They were later tested COVID negative, but I informed them they wouldn't walk into my office again until they were fully vaccinated.
I was pissed, and they knew it....trust me.....they knew it.....All I could do not to knock their F@$% lights out.....
I spent a lot of years in communicable disease control. Salmonella, Clostridium, Rabies, Hep A, West Nile, Giardia, Herpes Simplex B, Norwalk, etc., etc. ...
40 years ago, terrestrial rabies was rampant in raccoons in the mid-Atlantic. Very few people were known to die from the epizootic.
However, at the same time, several were known to die from an arboreal bat rabies variant. Nearly all without any bat or raccoon interaction history.
Variants can be scary. Whether antibiotic resistant bacteria, super-virulent rabies viruses, treatment-resistant Giardia, or a new COVID variant, I'm not willing to take my chances.....YMMV
So it’s your right to inflict an unproven medical procedure, that is lacking any long term data on everyone else because you think they’re selfish?That statement is just so much BS. When your 'freedom of choice' endangers the lives of people around you your 'freedom of choice' should end.
I and 10 million other Americans have compromised immune systems. You probably know some - you may not know they are immunocompromised though. I took 2 shots. I'm fully vaccinated. My body will not produce antibodies. I am vulnerable. If I contract the disease the outcome is not very bright.
For someone to say "its my choice" is the epidemy of selfishness or a total lack of understanding.
Yet another example of how “unserious” they are about actual threats, while being insistent on violating the rights of citizens.Has anyone considered the thousands of folks entering the USA from the southern border carrying who knows what, no test and disciminated to other states?
Yes, get this injection to protect us, we'll even pay you $100 to get it done, but let more come in.
Why have the exterminator come and treat the house for roaches and then bring open boxes of them in to feed your pet lizards?
And they are even using military bases to disperse them around the country. So nobody is safe. But hey, sleepy Joe approvesYet another example of how “unserious” they are about actual threats, while being insistent on violating the rights of citizens.
Most are not vaccinated, many are confirmed positive, yet they are dispersed around the country and unmonitored by the same government that shut down the economy, and wants to force a vaccine on you because of a dangerous virus.
If that doesn’t make you go ”Hmmmm?” I’m not sure what will.
My niece is a Nurse Anesthetist, her husband is an RN in a covid unit. Neither one of them have been vaccinated. Tells me something!!
As many of you know (I shared this on the forum) my daughter spent about 44 days in the hospital (not Covid related). I have also shared that I was one of the first to get the shot back on December 31, 2020.Tells me something too! LOL
He meant to say "yinz"You folks? What does that mean?
Hagrid...is your name AL?He meant to say "yinz"
" Never let a crisis go to waste":Yet another example of how “unserious” they are about actual threats, while being insistent on violating the rights of citizens.
Most are not vaccinated, many are confirmed positive, yet they are dispersed around the country and unmonitored by the same government that shut down the economy, and wants to force a vaccine on you because of a dangerous virus.
If that doesn’t make you go ”Hmmmm?” I’m not sure what will.
Wait.. Wait... When you do NOTHING to stop the spread, like say: keep people from traveling, quarantine the sick, tell other world leaders you have a problem, deny it exists to the WHO (joke organization), possibly (not yet know) made it in a lab, on and on and on.... THAT DOESN'T IMPLY INTENTIONAL IT PROVES INTENTIONAL.Being introduced implies intentional.
Nope... Zachary. But sometimes at my job I feel like Al Bundy.Hagrid...is your name AL?
Unproven? I don't know where you get you information. These vaccines were developed after decades of scientific investigation. There have been billions of doses already administered.So it’s your right to inflict an unproven medical procedure, that is lacking any long term data on everyone else because you think they’re selfish?
There are two routes to herd-immunity…. the slow way (let everyone naturally acquire the disease from each other ..giving it plenty of opportunity to mutate)…and risk some of us dying over it)…. or the faster and more methodical route… expose everyone in such a way that they acquire the immunity in a much less deadly fashion…. vaccination.Not really.
“Herd immunity” can also come from natural exposure. Due to the nature of this experimental treatment (not a vaccine in the traditional sense) there is a growing understanding among virologists that variations are very likely being “bred” among the “vaccinated” more than the “unvaccinated”.
Fake conspiracy? Tell that to my neighbor that has had her period every day for 3 months!There are two routes to heard-immunity…. the slow way (let everyone naturally acquire the disease from each other ..giving it plenty of opportunity to mutate)…and risk some of us dying over it)…. or the faster and more methodical route… expose everyone in such a way that they acquire the immunity in a much less deadly fashion…. vaccination.
I’m not confused by anything except by the numbers of otherwise logical and smart people who think they’re being ”controlled” by their own popularly elected gov’t Of, By, and For the people following scientifically-acquired and sound medical advice.
“Trust….but Verify” …and I trust my Doctor (who recommended the Pfizer or Moderna as soon as I could get either). …and it’s been verified those vaccines Work in the 90-95% safe and successful range.
Yes, eventually. EVENTUALLY…. “this too shall pass”. We can get there faster and safer if fake-conspiracy-theorists would keep it to themselves and, as this thread was entitiled, “Let ‘em Die!”
But I’d prefer my friends to quit imagining the gov’t is “out to get them” if for no other reason than gov’t needs it’s people and is anxious to save them from themselves.
If we see one that is substantially more deadly than the ones we have seen and see every day let me know. I’ll respond differently than I did with COVID.It is abundantly clear from reading this thread that if a virus or something like it does emerge that is particularly deadly we are all fukked
There is no long term data on mRNA treatments in humans.Unproven? I don't know where you get you information. These vaccines were developed after decades of scientific investigation. There have been billions of doses already administered.
No vaccine (including those for smallpox, polio, diphtheria etc) is 100% 'safe' but serious adverse reactions are a miniscule %.
I do know for certain what the risks are when contracting the disease. We are still learning what the long term affects will be for those who have contracted even a mild case of covid.