"New" Mower. Tell me How I Got Cheated

Mr Haney

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Picked up this Kubota ZD326 today. I rolled the dice a little, so I'm here to hear what a sucker I am.

Guy said his wife's grandfather owned it and used it on a couple of acres at his house. Year? No idea. Receipt for purchase? Manual? Sorry.

The ad said 229 hours, and he was asking $6500, so you can imagine why I wanted this mower. I had him fire it up and run it for a few minutes, and the hour meter...did not move.

So now I was in gambling territory.

I looked it over. The paint is good. The guts look good. It runs perfectly. No serial number, however. It's not a 229-hour mower, but it's not a dying discard from a landscaper.

There was damage by the chute, and a globby weld on top of the deck suggested someone had done a repair. I don't think Kubota would have left a weld like that, but it looked solid, and if it wasn't, it was nothing I could not fix.

I had him lift the deck so I could look under it, and there were still bits of paint on the underside. Everything looked good. Then I saw the oil spots under the mower.

I looked back at what I assume is the crankcase, and oil was dripping off on the driveway. Time for me to drive home?

This poor guy had just changed the fluids, and he had gotten oil on top of the engine. When he jacked it, the excess oil ran down off the crankcase. There were no drips when we ran it to check the meter, and there were no drips after he cleaned the oil off, so I felt better.

I noticed the front scalping assemblies were missing. I tried to look them up quickly in the sun, and I thought I saw $258 each. I was a little freaked out, so I told him. I thought I was looking at $600 with tax and shipping. He said he would take $5500.

I was feeling lucky, so I bought it. If it's under 1000 hours, in my area, this is a very good deal.

Looks like I got the parts cost wrong. At Messick's, the actual parts cost $210 total, and the seller gave me a bag of new parts which may include some of it.

Everything worked. Based on the appearance of the Kubota L3710 I bought with 1100 hours, I figured this mower was between 500 and 1000.

I ran it a few yards on my lawn (rainy day, so that's all), and compared to my JD 430, it's a new universe. Incredibly smooth. The RPM's sound a lot higher. It evaporated the grass. I was concerned about the power, but I feel sure I can make it work with mulching blades. The deck has partitions under it which look like a mulch kit, but they're more open than the Kubota kit I've seen. It should be good enough with mulching blades. I just need to cut leaves up small enough to rot.

The cut was perfect by my undemanding standards. Just flat grass. Not like the ridges and valleys the JD leaves.

Question: do I need to replace the scalp wheels? He put new tires on this thing as well as filters and fluids, and he says the dealer told him not to bother with the front scalp wheels on the corners. Weird thing for a dealer to say.

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OK ... you were cheated! 😂

I don't know much about zero turn mowers, but seriously, seems like a decent purchase to me. Heartland Kubota in Sheridan, WY has a ZD331 with 424 hours and a 72" deck for $10,500 and it appears to be in very good shape. I'm posting this as a point of reference and nothing more.

Whether you got a great, fair or terrible deal won't mean a whole bunch once you're using and enjoying the mower. It's only when things break or don't go well that we start to have regrets about prior purchases.

 
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Only you can decide if you need the scalp wheels or not. My yard is what I would call flat and my wheels hit quite a bit. My ZD331 has a 60” deck.
 
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I'm mainly concerned about whacking concrete and asphalt when I get to pavement.

I feel like this is a great deal if nothing blows up, and it's still pretty good if I end up buying some repairs. I was ready to hand over the asking price until the hour meter thing came up.
 

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Honestly it seems like a great deal….one thing to me that is missing (I am not sure though)…should there not be a cover over the pulleys / belts on the deck? I don’t really know but it sure looks like it is built for a cover…maybe a chute too?. 🤷‍♂️

I still think a good deal with or without those parts. 👍

I think check your fluids , air filter and give her a good grease-in’ for S&Gs, check wheel bolt torque and throttle her up and go have some fun!
 

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It's supposed to have pulley covers. I didn't notice that. I see Kubota pulley covers out there for about $22. Based on what I have seen, I suspect a lot of people take their pulley covers off to speed up cleaning and prevent crud from wearing the belts down. My JD's covers look brand new. They're on a shelf.

It's also missing the discharge cover, which I also failed to notice, but then I plan to cover the chute anyway. The cover is around $36, so not a big problem either way.

The mower has new fluids, tires, and belts, but I don't know if the zerks got any love, so I will check that. Thanks for reminding me about the air filter.

The seat armrests are pretty sad. Fifty bucks each! The ROPS apparently got whacked at some point, so the adjustment knobs need to be replaced. They're available.

It would be nice to have new control panel decals, but they don't pop up for sale when I look.

I think this mower is in good enough shape to warrant considerable sprucing up.
 

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A few years ago, I bought a piece of equipment that had an hour meter that would register 30 hours of use when in actuality it was less than 3. I bought it from a dealer, and the original owner gave me all the rental tickets showing the hours when it left and when it was returned the next day. 45 hours in less than a 24-hour period. I believe that the problem was caused by the engine's vibrations, which resulted in incorrect readings. I have a new Hobbs hour meter that I could install, but it is more work than I want to do.
 

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Well you did get a great deal but you should as it was probably stolen. No idea of year? receipt, manual and da biggie.....removed serial number. I am sure Granny scratched that right off. :cool: Hope the original owner is not on OTT.

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The scalp wheels are not meant to be in ground contact for any length of time. They are made of plastic with sh*tty plastic bearings and are a POS design on an otherwise great machine.

If you have hilly terrain and are scalping the ground frequently you might want to replace the wheel assemblies. If you have flat ground the scalp wheels do nothing for you.

If you lock the front pivoting swing axel you won't hit the ground with your mower deck.
 
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My biggest concern would have been the missing serial number.
 
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If it's stolen, he's not a smart thief. Advertised it on Facebook under his real name, sold it from his own house, delivered it using his own truck, and signed an affirmation that it was his in a bank full of cameras.

We used the engine serial number on the bill of sale. Couldn't find a name plate with the mowers number.
 
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A few years ago, I bought a piece of equipment that had an hour meter that would register 30 hours of use when in actuality it was less than 3. I bought it from a dealer, and the original owner gave me all the rental tickets showing the hours when it left and when it was returned the next day. 45 hours in less than a 24-hour period. I believe that the problem was caused by the engine's vibrations, which resulted in incorrect readings. I have a new Hobbs hour meter that I could install, but it is more work than I want to do.
Is that a digital hour meter or a mechanical one?

I would expect the hour meter on the ZD326 to function in the same way as the one on the ZD331 which appears to be mechanical, so I assume it's cable driven. Whether it stopped working because someone wanted it to or it failed due to some other issue, will remain a mystery, but one thing is certain, the hours reported are not greater than the actual hours used. I don't think that 1,000 hours is an accurate upper limit based on photos, but some people are very hard on their equipment.

As I said, once the mower is in use and doing what it's designed to do, nothing much else will matter.
 
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The first mow went really well. I did take out a couple of shrubs and part of a piece of ground cover, but I'll get the hang of it. I had to quit because it rained.

Before I could mow, I had to dump a lot of fluid. The seller overfilled the transmission. I had to use an oil sucker. I am no good with a siphon. On the up side, the fluid doesn't taste that bad.

I would estimate he was off by half a gallon. It hurt to dump that expensive SUDT2 on a bothersome stump, but I was not able to catch it all in a clean container.

I have trouble getting the mower to crank. At first, I had the PTO engaged and didn't know it; the relevant decal is gone, so decals are on my Messick's list. The second time I had trouble, the mower started when I reduced the throttle. I don't know if there is a cutout for a high throttle setting or what. I also fiddled with the seat a little. This mower's lawyer switch is cut, so it could be that something in there is shorting. I would have cut it myself, so I am happy the switch is dead.

People say these things don't give the best quality of cut, but I guess those guys are pros. I am just trying to hold the jungle back, and the cut I got looks fantastic to me. No windrows, no clumps. Nice and flat. I don't think I need the scalping assemblies. I didn't hit any concrete.

The deck really blasted cut material out. I have not covered the chute yet. Based on what I saw, I think G6 blades and a chute cover will handle my leaf-mulching just fine. For that matter, as it is, it may be good enough. The new blades are coming anyway.

The speed was wonderful. Seemed like it took half as long as the John Deere. It would be faster if I knew how to use a zero-turn. I kept slowing it down to keep from hitting things.

The seat suspension is nothing to write home about, but I don't sit on it all day, so I'll get over it.

I see why the first owner threw out the pulley covers. This thing is a bear to clean after mowing. The deck was buried in grass, leaves, and dirt, and it went in under the floorboard. I opened the floorboard hatch and spent a lot of time blowing crud out with a small leaf blower.

I thought the ROPS might be bent because the clamp knobs were mangled, but I got them off with a strap wrench, and the ROPS is fine. I plan to keep it folded most of the time because I have to mow under trees.

It is obvious this mower has seen very little rain but a good deal of sun, so I think the owner kept it in a pole barn with no walls. That is common down here. The lever grips are bleached, as are the seat belts. I think the sun is what ate the armrests. The sun is why the mower's appearance could be better.

I believe I found the serial number. There is a number on a decal on the lower part of the ROPS; 37***, I think. Manufactured in Fayetteville and so on.

I have not opened up the control panel to see if the hour meter wiring is okay, but since the idiot lights use the same wires, I would guess that it is. I suppose I'll have to get a new electronic meter. The one I have is mechanical.

My Messick's cart is filling up. I would go buy this stuff locally, but two big companies have taken over the Kubota business here, and they can't be bothered to create a decent website.

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I’ll add to the starting situation. You have the parking brake switch, left and right control lever switch and the seat switch.
 

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Are you sure the hour meter isn't working? It wouldn't move much in a short run. Did it work at all when you mowed today?
 

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It measures in 6-minute intervals, so it should have moved. Now that the mower has gone around 30 minutes, nothing has happened. Bummer.
 

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It is starting to look like the PTO safety switch is hinky.

Today I got on the mower, put the bars where they were supposed to be, engaged the brake, put the PTO lever in the neutral position, set the throttle a little above minimum, and tried to start the mower. I didn't get anywhere with it.

While I was fooling with it, I jiggled the PTO lever, and the mower started. Doesn't always work, though. I am not sure how jiggling the lever could help, since the lever is in the rear position when in neutral, and the switch is depressed (closed) when the lever is all the way forward.

What's the likely problem? This safety switch? The starter relay?
 

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I guess I can disconnect the safety switch and see if the mower starts reliably. If so, the switch must be the problem. The manual says the switch is normally open, so closing it must prevent cranking.
 

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Well you did get a great deal but you should as it was probably stolen. No idea of year? receipt, manual and da biggie.....removed serial number. I am sure Granny scratched that right off. :cool: Hope the original owner is not on OTT.

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I think 22R hit the nail on the head as far as a direct answer to your question goes.

If you bought the mower, assuming it was an honest sale, but indeed it was actually a stolen item at some point in its life, then I would feel that I was cheated if it was me. This certainly doesn’t mean that the guy you bought it from has any knowledge of it being stolen(not that it was) at some point previously. Maybe the owner before him to had no idea either.

In any case, you probably don’t have to worry much about it. I suppose if there was some kind of a paper trail and the police turned up at your doorstep, it could be confiscated and you would be out your money. Highly unlikely this should happen.

Seems like those serial number stickers that they use on some equipment don’t just fall off. I’ve seen some that are scratched and banged and partially missing because they were scraped off during some event, but something was still there.

But the serial number sticker missing is not a guarantee that it was a stolen item. It just raises as a possible question…

Any chance you’re not looking in the right place for it? Just a thought…

edit: somehow I didn’t see the posts following the one I responded to… but if it were me at this point, I wouldn’t pursue the possibility of the item being stolen or not. You made a good faith purchase. If you pursue that thought best case is you’ll find out that there’s nothing to be concerned about, but worst case is even though you acted in good faith and the seller probably acted in good faith as well, if it was identified as being a stolen item, you might regret doing anything proactive. Maybe just me…
 
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