In search of a better truck for towing the M6060 and folding cutter.

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It's also a bit harder for me to add rental equipment to my policy if I end going with American National.
Under FB, I would submit my rental agreement, cost replacement of the machine. Example; monthly rental $5k for a $150k Cat 100hp mulching skidsteer, it costs me less $100 to insure it for a month with that same $250 deductible. Beats paying the overpriced $1200 to $1500 rental insurance that the rental companies force unto their customers. FB will usually issue me an insurance binder for that equipment within 2 business days.
 
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I contacted a number of trucking companies and the going rate is around $2/mile to haul a truck such as an F-550. The 2020 F-550 deal fell through since it was sold last weekend as I was discussing logistics. I'm still looking at my options, but am moving towards an F-350, F-450 or F-550 dually with a flatbed or standard bed and keeping the dump trailer.

I decided to pass on both the F-650 and F-750 dump trucks for now, but if they're still available in the spring I'll revisit them as options.
I think you headed in the right direction. I would be looking for a late model F-350 dually four door long box diesel. I think your a ford guy but do give the Dodge ton dually a look. Have several friends that are big Ford guys and have went to the Dodge for the Cummins. Before you go down this rabbit hole to far have a talk with your insurance guy and make sure your current insurance is going to work for hauling your tractor and mower around to do pay for jobs and your tractor insurance will cover any damage that might happen while mowing on some one else's property. For many years I run commercial trucks for hire and farm trucks. Two completely different insurance policy's and they were ran under different company names. For a time I did some custom farming and had to have a insurance policy for that as my farm policy didn't cover work for hire. Know days I don't do any custom work. Not worth it to me. Good luck with what ever you do.
 
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I would be looking for a late model F-350 dually four door long box diesel. I think your a ford guy but do give the Dodge ton dually a look. Have several friends that are big Ford guys and have went to the Dodge for the Cummins.
For the most part, I agree...but right now it appears that many of the 2019 and up Ram Cummins engines are failing big time because of the hydraulic lifters they started using. Lots of talk on the on-line forums about this. Here's one:

For the record - I have two Dodge/Cummins trucks - but both have the 5.9.
 
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I think you headed in the right direction. I would be looking for a late model F-350 dually four door long box diesel. I think your a ford guy but do give the Dodge ton dually a look. Have several friends that are big Ford guys and have went to the Dodge for the Cummins. Before you go down this rabbit hole to far have a talk with your insurance guy and make sure your current insurance is going to work for hauling your tractor and mower around to do pay for jobs and your tractor insurance will cover any damage that might happen while mowing on some one else's property. For many years I run commercial trucks for hire and farm trucks. Two completely different insurance policy's and they were ran under different company names. For a time I did some custom farming and had to have a insurance policy for that as my farm policy didn't cover work for hire. Know days I don't do any custom work. Not worth it to me. Good luck with what ever you do.
Thanks! I'm definitely a Ford guy, although I have no issues with the older Cummins engines, it's just the rest of the truck that surrounds the engine that gives me cause for concern. A 2020 or newer F-350 or F-450 dually is most likely the smartest move, with the plan to keep the 16ft dump trailer, sell the 22ft tilt trailer and buy a 25+5ft gooseneck. That's the way the wind is currently blowing.

I'm looking almost daily at Carfax, Truck Trader and Craigslist, but realistically I am more likely to buy something when the weather is better so that I can fly and drive rather than pay someone to haul it across country. I'll report back if anything changes, and thanks again to all of the feedback. It's very helpful.
 
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Thanks! I'm definitely a Ford guy, although I have no issues with the older Cummins engines, it's just the rest of the truck that surrounds the engine that gives me cause for concern. A 2020 or newer F-350 or F-450 dually is most likely the smartest move, with the plan to keep the 16ft dump trailer, sell the 22ft tilt trailer and buy a 25+5ft gooseneck. That's the way the wind is currently blowing.

I'm looking almost daily at Carfax, Truck Trader and Craigslist, but realistically I am more likely to buy something when the weather is better so that I can fly and drive rather than pay someone to haul it across country. I'll report back if anything changes, and thanks again to all of the feedback. It's very helpful.
The problem with the F-350/450 is they have the powerstroke engines, not the Cummins. Old or new, the Cummins is a far better engine for longevity and lower maintenance costs. And I have no idea why anyone would be concerned about the Dodge/Ram trucks? They are proven performers.
 

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The problem with the F-350/450 is they have the powerstroke engines, not the Cummins. Old or new, the Cummins is a far better engine for longevity and lower maintenance costs. And I have no idea why anyone would be concerned about the Dodge/Ram trucks? They are proven performers.
problem with Ram is that they have a decent (not great) engine, and the rest of the truck falls apart around the engine. We've had several over the years, they all do the same thing. 5.9 was the last of the good cummins diesels available in a pickup truck.

far as ford? Great truck. Keep it maintained and it'll last as long as the cummins engine will, if not longer. People don't maintain things though, and that is where cummins shines--you can get away with neglecting them more, at least until the truck falls apart. Powerstroke is smoother running for sure, and will usually accelerate a little faster than the cummins will. A little quieter too. And the truck is a lot nicer; although I will say the Ram has come a long way since 2001 which was the last time I OWNED one (I have borrowed, rented, used, and our company trucks were rams for a while too). And the ford rides a LOT better, and I don't mean just a little bit, I mean it's a daylight and dark difference better. We still have a Ram at work, one of the last ones, and we have a 2020 Ford. The ford is faster unloaded (can't say it's faster loaded because the loads we pull differ retularly), it rides a million times better, gets a little bit better fuel mileage (contrary to what everyone says it should be), runs quieter, is a lot more comfortable. The guys who drive regularly always jump in the ford these days and that old ram just sits most of the time now.

Granted these are all 3/4 ton not 350/3500/4500/450/etc

Now gas vs diesel debate for those that care. Boss and I have been watching this pretty closely over the last 2 years. We're averaging 22,000 miles a year on each of the 4 trucks (17 duramax 2500, 19 ram 2500 22 ram 2500 6.4 gas, and 2020 6.7 f250). The duramax is showing overall cost (insurance taxes repairs maintenance purchase price and fuel costs) of $1.38/mi. The Powerstroke is about $1.56 but remember-in 2020 the trucks cost a lot more than they did in 16. Ram diesel is $1.41/mi. Ram gas is $1.22 a mile. Compare the ram diesel vs the ram gas, times 22,000 miles and the difference comes out to $4100 and change over a year. It is no longer feasible to own diesel pickup, not for most of us. If you put a couple hundred thousand miles a year on them, the fuel costs might even things out but for us, it doesn't, and we are replacing the diesels with gas burners. The F250 will be replaced with a new 7.3 when the time comes. Here's the kicker. The duramax has some issues (which is one reason it needs to be replaced), rear end leaking, transmission issues, wiring issues, turbo starting to show sign of failure, one injector, glow plugs, ball joints, upper oil pan leak, etc--the dealer's quoted cost to do all this (and some of it is not listed here) is around $31,000. Old job we had a 2007 3500 GMC duramax DRW; spent $21,600 in repairs on that one. Just a battery cable was a $1100 fix (harness I guess). If you are a personal user, and not a business, you get to just eat those costs. Keep that in mind.

Now you know why the ram diesel and the F250 are going to be replaced; actually may not even replace them just get rid of them. The duramax we haven't decided yet. It's worthless as it is, maybe for parts or something but I figure it ain't worth much more than maybe $2500. May end up fixing a few things and dumping it for what we can get out of it. 146,000 miles. Ram gas has 45000 on it, F250 has 99,000, and ram diesel is 107,000 on Monday this past week when I checked them. They were all purchased new.

myself I have a 2003 F250, 7.3L diesel. I won't own another diesel. Don't make no sense for personal use, unless you have, like Napoleon syndrome or you just like to spend money. If I had known when I bought it in 2012, that it was gonna cost this much to keep going, I'd have passed on it.
 

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problem with Ram is that they have a decent (not great) engine, and the rest of the truck falls apart around the engine. We've had several over the years, they all do the same thing. 5.9 was the last of the good cummins diesels available in a pickup truck.

far as ford? Great truck. Keep it maintained and it'll last as long as the cummins engine will, if not longer. People don't maintain things though, and that is where cummins shines--you can get away with neglecting them more, at least until the truck falls apart. Powerstroke is smoother running for sure, and will usually accelerate a little faster than the cummins will. A little quieter too. And the truck is a lot nicer; although I will say the Ram has come a long way since 2001 which was the last time I OWNED one (I have borrowed, rented, used, and our company trucks were rams for a while too). And the ford rides a LOT better, and I don't mean just a little bit, I mean it's a daylight and dark difference better. We still have a Ram at work, one of the last ones, and we have a 2020 Ford. The ford is faster unloaded (can't say it's faster loaded because the loads we pull differ retularly), it rides a million times better, gets a little bit better fuel mileage (contrary to what everyone says it should be), runs quieter, is a lot more comfortable. The guys who drive regularly always jump in the ford these days and that old ram just sits most of the time now.

Granted these are all 3/4 ton not 350/3500/4500/450/etc

Now gas vs diesel debate for those that care. Boss and I have been watching this pretty closely over the last 2 years. We're averaging 22,000 miles a year on each of the 4 trucks (17 duramax 2500, 19 ram 2500 22 ram 2500 6.4 gas, and 2020 6.7 f250). The duramax is showing overall cost (insurance taxes repairs maintenance purchase price and fuel costs) of $1.38/mi. The Powerstroke is about $1.56 but remember-in 2020 the trucks cost a lot more than they did in 16. Ram diesel is $1.41/mi. Ram gas is $1.22 a mile. Compare the ram diesel vs the ram gas, times 22,000 miles and the difference comes out to $4100 and change over a year. It is no longer feasible to own diesel pickup, not for most of us. If you put a couple hundred thousand miles a year on them, the fuel costs might even things out but for us, it doesn't, and we are replacing the diesels with gas burners. The F250 will be replaced with a new 7.3 when the time comes. Here's the kicker. The duramax has some issues (which is one reason it needs to be replaced), rear end leaking, transmission issues, wiring issues, turbo starting to show sign of failure, one injector, glow plugs, ball joints, upper oil pan leak, etc--the dealer's quoted cost to do all this (and some of it is not listed here) is around $31,000. Old job we had a 2007 3500 GMC duramax DRW; spent $21,600 in repairs on that one. Just a battery cable was a $1100 fix (harness I guess). If you are a personal user, and not a business, you get to just eat those costs. Keep that in mind.

Now you know why the ram diesel and the F250 are going to be replaced; actually may not even replace them just get rid of them. The duramax we haven't decided yet. It's worthless as it is, maybe for parts or something but I figure it ain't worth much more than maybe $2500. May end up fixing a few things and dumping it for what we can get out of it. 146,000 miles. Ram gas has 45000 on it, F250 has 99,000, and ram diesel is 107,000 on Monday this past week when I checked them. They were all purchased new.

myself I have a 2003 F250, 7.3L diesel. I won't own another diesel. Don't make no sense for personal use, unless you have, like Napoleon syndrome or you just like to spend money. If I had known when I bought it in 2012, that it was gonna cost this much to keep going, I'd have passed on it.
I think your experience with Dodge/Ram truck longevity is pretty dated and not at all relevant to trucks built since about 2005. And you have the only good powerstroke (7.3). Every powerstroke since the 7.3 is less reliable and extremely expensive to maintain. The Cummins are an industrial engine, not the strokes and are extremely reliable and economical to maintain. The strokes require that the truck fenders be lifted to do many maintenance tasks and simple maintenance is often a $1000+. And you are overlooking a major cost factor for diesel trucks: resale value. A diesel truck with 300k miles still gas reasonable value, while the gasser truck is bound for the junkyard with that many miles. I respectfully disagree with your assessment of both Dodge/Ram trucks and the Cummins engines. Yes the super duty Fords do ride a little nicer and the powerstrokes are fast. They are also plagued with reliability and high maintenance costs.