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[North Idaho Wolfman]

Electric Car Battery Replacement Costs

When it comes to electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids, many shoppers wonder how long it will be until they have to replace their battery. Then what will it cost to replace that battery?

www.recurrentauto.com

Check this site out. You decide how much it costs. I can post numerous other links but they all say about the same thing.

Like an internal combustion engine, electric vehicle batteries are designed and built to last the life of the car. Most gas-powered car owners will never need to replace an engine.

While it might be fun—or terrifying—to dig into the costs of a battery replacement whether you’re a current EV owner or are thinking of buying your first electric vehicle and are doing your research on the benefits of EV ownership, the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of electric vehicle drivers never need to worry about paying to replace one.

 

[armylifer]

Like an internal combustion engine, electric vehicle batteries are designed and built to last the life of the car. Most gas-powered car owners will never need to replace an engine.

While it might be fun—or terrifying—to dig into the costs of a battery replacement whether you’re a current EV owner or are thinking of buying your first electric vehicle and are doing your research on the benefits of EV ownership, the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of electric vehicle drivers never need to worry about paying to replace one.

Yeah, if they plan to only keep the vehicle for 100,000 miles. Most gasoline and diesel engines last well in excess of 300,000 miles if maintained properly. There is no battery operated vehicle that will last anywhere near that long.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

warranty cost billed to Ford for two of the 4 battery cell packs in a mach E was around $17,000

I've worked in the automotive biz, using "warranty cost" or "insurance cost" is not a valid representation of real cost.

Anything technological that is new, is going to be more expensive till it's refined, manufacturing designs fine tuned, and cost of production and demand are brought down.

 

[Fordtech86]

There is no battery operated vehicle that will last anywhere near that long.

and they aren’t worth anything either because the used market buyer won’t be able to afford to fix them either.

 

[armylifer]

I've worked in the automotive biz, using "warranty cost" or "insurance cost" is not a valid representation of real cost.

Anything technological that is new, is going to be more expensive till it's refined, manufacturing designs fine tuned, and cost of production and demand are brought down.

That was true for the Model T but never since then.

 

[Ridelght]

warranty cost billed to Ford for two of the 4 battery cell packs in a mach E was around $17,000

MACH E sounds like something stuck in throat. Sister bought Tesla suv looking model.
My 90 year old dad told her " Electric is for lights not cars " i loved it.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

I had a MACH E here in my driveway, will never own one, heck if GIVEN to me, I would sell for a toonie...
Battery cost is a reoccouring cost, EVERY 6-8 years..sooner if you actually drive it in Ontario, in winter.
I'm sure they don't test these beasties on Ontario Winter roads !!

 

[Deleted member 47704]

They have been trying for well over 100 years to make EVs practical, they haven't succeeded yet.Anything the government mandates turns out bad.Let car makers battle it out in the market place,supply demand, not a quota to satisfy government over reach.

 

[DaveFromMi]

I worked on an EV project for one of the OEMs in the Detroit area. This was a few years back, so the technology may have changed. The battery temperature lower limit back then was ~5°F. Anything colder and the battery liquid would freeze, rendering the battery useless. There were battery compartment (electric) heaters that would protect the battery cells whether whether the vehicle was plugged in or not. Moral of the story... don't leave them outside in the cold for a long time not plugged in. A long power outage in cold weather could cause battery destruction.

 

[Ridelght]

I worked on an EV project for one of the OEMs in the Detroit area. This was a few years back, so the technology may have changed. The battery temperature lower limit back then was ~5°F. Anything colder and the battery liquid would freeze, rendering the battery useless. There were battery compartment (electric) heaters that would protect the battery cells whether whether the vehicle was plugged in or not. Moral of the story... don't leave them outside in the cold for a long time not plugged in. A long power outage in cold weather could cause battery destruction.

I haveva question, why have they not figured out to use the movement to also generate a charging system to make milage unlimited.
Whoever figures that out will make a tin of money.

 

[armylifer]

I haveva question, why have they not figured out to use the movement to also generate a charging system to make milage unlimited.
Whoever figures that out will make a tin of money.

That is called perpetual motion and it doesn't work even in a vacuum. You are right though. If that was ever invented one could write their own ticket.

 

[DaveFromMi]

I haveva question, why have they not figured out to use the movement to also generate a charging system to make milage unlimited.
Whoever figures that out will make a tin of money.

EVs like HEVs have regenerative brakes. When you use the brakes, the EV motor becomes a generator and delivers some charge back to the battery. That's why HEVs get better fuel economy in city traffic driving.
There is no more available energy past Regen braking limits unless you get close to a perpetual motion machine.

 

[Ridelght]

EVs like HEVs have regenerative brakes. When you use the brakes, the EV motor becomes a generator and delivers some charge back to the battery. That's why HEVs get better fuel economy in city traffic driving.
There is no more available energy past Regen braking limits unless you get close to a perpetual motion machine.

Thats a great explanation. In my novice mind, i have a gas generator, the gas engine creates energy etc....the new Ford truck can power a house allegedly so i dont think its that far away that the energy created is stored tp recharge as you go.
With that said i still dont think its more economical if you go through batteries for the same cost of gas over the same time period.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

re: the new Ford truck can power a house allegedly so i dont think its that far away that the energy created is stored tp recharge as you go.

Ford uses a big, custom power inverter that uses the battery as the source. What's never said in the ads is that once you drain the battery, well, you ain't driving to the recharge station ! BTW, you'll go through a LOT of gas, to power say 5KW genny , to recharge the 100KW battery, that'll be over 30Hrs continuous use, full out. Will be more if cool to cold weather...

You cannot acquire MORE energy than you spend, one of them Physics laws that cannot be broken. Well maybe If you could always coast down a hill. problem is , you have to drive UP that same hill and that uses MORE energy than you got going down. The very best DC to DC converters I've been able to make are 98.72% and that's run at 'room temperature'.

 

[Ridelght]

re: the new Ford truck can power a house allegedly so i dont think its that far away that the energy created is stored tp recharge as you go.

Ford uses a big, custom power inverter that uses the battery as the source. What's never said in the ads is that once you drain the battery, well, you ain't driving to the recharge station ! BTW, you'll go through a LOT of gas, to power say 5KW genny , to recharge the 100KW battery, that'll be over 30Hrs continuous use, full out. Will be more if cool to cold weather...

You cannot acquire MORE energy than you spend, one of them Physics laws that cannot be broken. Well maybe If you could always coast down a hill. problem is , you have to drive UP that same hill and that uses MORE energy than you got going down. The very best DC to DC converters I've been able to make are 98.72% and that's run at 'room temperature'.

I get it cool reply !!

 

[Ridelght]

I get it cool reply !!

Sorry but now im thinking ....lol....how feasible would multiple energy sources be but not gas ? What better vehichle for solar as a static charging system. Along with the normal systems. Could be cool looking sunroof charging as the car sits.
A solar Hybrid. I get the physics but turbo 4 cyls are an example of 1 source running another and increasing power. I think at some point this will happen on electric cars as well. Power adders on has engines are common. Supercharged., tubos, blowers. Electrical circuits are different, but energy is energy. 70 mph on a highway would generate a lot of energy, espically if another passive system in place. Maybe inverters or capacitors to store excess for times or higher energy use to stabilize the battery. The hill you spoke of as an example.

I enjoy the conversation and im to dumb to invent anything like that. Just suprised they have not yet. I dont even like EV,s Lol......

 

[DaveFromMi]

The car project I mentioned previously had a couple of 1/2 sq ft solar panels on the roof. They were just a gimmick to entice Customers hoping to save the planet. The max electrical output with the sun directly overhead was about 30W or .03 KW. Under perfect conditions (no losses or inefficiency), the solar panels would charge a 100 KW*hr EV battery in (100 KW*hr / .03 KW) or 3333 hours. It obviously didn't charge at night and it produced less on cloudy days and almost nothing in winter time at low sun angles.

 

[Biker1mike]

Ever the optimist. Lab in England had a working very very small lab fusion reaction.
I'd say 20 years to scale it up and 20-30 years for industry to build the large scale reactors and updated grid system. Could make chargers as common as gas stations and perhaps just as fast.
The real world me also believes the politicians and power companies will make this expensive.

 

[Daren Todd]

 

[TheOldHokie]

I've worked in the automotive biz, using "warranty cost" or "insurance cost" is not a valid representation of real cost.

Anything technological that is new, is going to be more expensive till it's refined, manufacturing designs fine tuned, and cost of production and demand are brought down.

This thread reminds me of the "expert" discussions surrounding the introduction of digital TV and flat panel HDTV displays....

Dan