Front mount flail mower from mid PTO

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I can relate to the “off and on” welding outcomes.

I call mine “hammered dog sh!t” , but the sentiment is the same ;) :ROFLMAO:

I guess thats why they make grinders though(?);)

Overall though, nice job on the welding so far(y)(y)(y)(y)

What type of welding is it? I am guessing “MIG"?
 
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I can relate to the “off and on” welding outcomes.

I call mine “hammered dog sh!t” , but the sentiment is the same ;) :ROFLMAO:

I guess thats why they make grinders though(?);)

Overall though, nice job on the welding so far(y)(y)(y)(y)

What type of welding is it? I am guessing “MIG"?
Yeah, that description also works. Yes, it's MIG.

Interesting that if I count bench grinders and angle grinders I've got 6 grinders and 1 welder. Maybe that's a sign.
 
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More progress - both ends are now welded onto the body and I've made a mount for the gearbox.

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I'm going to have to pull the gearbox apart so I can drill and tap new oil fill and drain ports as the ones that are there are at the back and their positions suit a different mounting orientation.
 
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I can relate to the “off and on” welding outcomes.

I call mine “hammered dog sh!t” , but the sentiment is the same ;) :ROFLMAO:

I guess thats why they make grinders though(?);)

Overall though, nice job on the welding so far(y)(y)(y)(y)

What type of welding is it? I am guessing “MIG"?
Some days it is to the point of just taking a break with my welding, before I have to put money in the imaginary swear jar!
If I am trying to do some tig it has to be when the stars are aligned as that really needs my best hand control.
We had a boss in our maintenance group that decided the 5 of us all needed to go a 2 day class on welding so he could learn and be able to judge our ability in regards to our pay.
It was basically a show and tell. I was the only one to do a little oxy acetylene, the instructor couldn't and wanted the others to gather around.
The instructor did some mig and I swear it looked like a caterpillar on the steel when he was done, no penetration and could have been knocked loose with one swipe of a chipping hammer.
The boss said afterwards that he now felt he could do "fabrication" too.
it was a SMH head moment.

Bill
 
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Some days it is to the point of just taking a break with my welding, before I have to put money in the imaginary swear jar!
If I am trying to do some tig it has to be when the stars are aligned as that really needs my best hand control.
We had a boss in our maintenance group that decided the 5 of us all needed to go a 2 day class on welding so he could learn and be able to judge our ability in regards to our pay.
It was basically a show and tell. I was the only one to do a little oxy acetylene, the instructor couldn't and wanted the others to gather around.
The instructor did some mig and I swear it looked like a caterpillar on the steel when he was done, no penetration and could have been knocked loose with one swipe of a chipping hammer.
The boss said afterwards that he now felt he could do "fabrication" too.
it was a SMH head moment.

Bill
You sound like a professional welder to me - you've been to a class. I tried TIG on an aluminium roof top box I made for an old LandCruiser about 25 years ago with a proper welder helping me. I've never tried TIG since and it's still a bit of a mystery.
 
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You sound like a professional welder to me - you've been to a class. I tried TIG on an aluminium roof top box I made for an old LandCruiser about 25 years ago with a proper welder helping me. I've never tried TIG since and it's still a bit of a mystery.
Not a professional , not certified just trained at the school at hard knocks.
Out of high school I hard a job as a sandblaster/Painter at a welding and fabrication place that that made Braun commercial washing machines for Braun and then they did all the finish work.
Welders there would teach me during breaks on scrap so I had a basic understanding.
A couple years later I bought a new Lincoln tombstone ac welder for my home projects.
Then every job I held there was times I needed to weld i would try some more.
I had to repair some aluminum guards on equipment there so we bought a tig and I kind of learned some from a Lincoln web site. That was a challenge getting that to welding point and if you were not careful and keep moving the puddle would fall thru. From there I was doing repairs on stainless sheet metal some.
Not anything I would brag about for quality but got better as time went on.
I have one at home because there was one for sale used, pretty cheap and I couldn't pass it up.
Still have the old lincoln, a hobart ironman 210, A hypertherm 45 plasma and the tig I think is a miller.

I kind of relate tig to oxy actelyne as far as some of the skill needed. You need to heat the metal to melting point and keep the torch moving or you have a mess. And both can sometimes be done with or without filler metal.

Bill
 
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A bit more progress has been made on the body of the flail mower. I made the adjustable height skid plate with the rear roller as an assembly for over end so far. My first try will have the bottom of the roller about 25 mm below the skid.

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I also got the cutter drum back from dynamic balancing. If I was still wondering (I was) about whether the cutter layout that I came up with is a good or bad idea the balancing has settled it - what I've made is a dumb idea. I'll try to explain.

I laid out the cutters with three helixes. The first starts at 0 - the second starts 120 degrees around and 50 mm along from the start of the first - the third start 120 degrees around and 50 mm along from the start of the second. This means that as far as balance goes their starting points are even around the drum at 0, 120 and 240 degrees. But they are offset along the drum by 50 and 100 mm - this is the bit that is causing my problem. The fact that they are paid out as helixes rather than straight lines doesn't help or hinder this balancing problem - it's all in the lengthways offset (apart from other minor variations in tabs, welds and blade mass).

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Despite the above design issues it was able to be balanced by the second place I took it to (the first one tried but gave up).

Below is a pic of the weights that were added at one end of the drum - it's similar but diametrically opposite at the other end of the drum.

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Weights added to achieve "balance" (I didn't ask what residual unbalance he was working to):

Without blades
End 1 - 166 g
End 2 - 239 g

With blades
End 1 - 392 g
End 2 - 487 g

Easier to see with a picture....it's a lot....

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He showed me the cutter drum running in the balancing machine with the blades attached and I couldn't feel any vibration at the bearing mounts at either end, so I think it will be fine to use.

The large additional weights that needed to be added to rebalance the drum when the blades were added confirms the problem is caused by the lengthways offset of the three helixes. This also means that as the blades wear and become lighter the balance will deteriorate, even if the blades wear perfectly evenly. I don't know how quickly the blades will wear so I don't know how quickly it will get worse and don't really know how much worse.

My plan for now is to get it finished so I can at least test it and see how it performs in cutting our grass. Assuming the rest works ok I'll probably start thinking about another drum layout but this time I'll have balanced tabs and blades diametrically opposite rather than being offset lengthways.

It all makes perfect sense now - yet another good dose of 20/20 hindsight. I'll call it a learning experience.
 
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I hope it works out for you sir! 🤞 🤞 🤞


I know how it is when you have that much time/money/effort into a project that fails…..(trust me;))

It’s the “Curse of the Inventor”.

(But we still keep at it;):love:🤷‍♂️🤔)
 
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I hope it works out for you sir! 🤞 🤞 🤞


I know how it is when you have that much time/money/effort into a project that fails…..(trust me;))

It’s the “Curse of the Inventor”.

(But we still keep at it;):love:🤷‍♂️🤔)
Haha, thanks. Yes it's not the first time and won't be the last.

VinyB (@VinyB57) has some great videos on YouTube on things he designs and builds. One of his favourite sayings is "you're only one grinder away from success".
 
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I hope it works out for you sir! 🤞 🤞 🤞


I know how it is when you have that much time/money/effort into a project that fails…..(trust me;))

It’s the “Curse of the Inventor”.

(But we still keep at it;):love:🤷‍♂️🤔)
I know that feeling, I made a loader bucket out of some bar grating thinking I could sift rocks out of soil. Fail!
I made a backhoe attachment to replace the bucket and come against the thumb to pull at roots.
Instant mangled steel first use!
But the loader bucket still is useful to move dirt as I can see thru the slots when its full where as the kubota sometimes it is only half full and I feel dumb when I travel and dump it.
My lovely clay soil sticks in clumps and doesn't fall thru so it is kinda like a glass bucket!

Bill

Edit, picture of see thru bucket. And roller my son and I made with worn skid steer tires. That works quite well smoothing the stone driveway after spring grading.
With me the trial can become permanent and never gets painted.
 

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I know that feeling, I made a loader bucket out of some bar grating thinking I could sift rocks out of soil. Fail!
I made a backhoe attachment to replace the bucket and come against the thumb to pull at roots.
Instant mangled steel first use!
But the loader bucket still is useful to move dirt as I can see thru the slots when its full where as the kubota sometimes it is only half full and I feel dumb when I travel and dump it.
My lovely clay soil sticks in clumps and doesn't fall thru so it is kinda like a glass bucket!

Bill
Sounds like quite a clever design on the see through bucket. Maybe you should have patented the design before you shared it here ?

I reckon anyone who has had a go at making something a bit non-standard would have had something that didn't quite go to plan. It used to happen often at work even after loads of modelling, testing, trialling etc. Always something to catch us.
 
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