COVID-19 Stuff

[bearbait]

Well my wife and myself both just had the virus. I was out of work for 10 days due to protocol and had to test negative to return. My wife who is ADON of skilled nursing facility is out for 14 days then has to have 2 negatives to return to work given her job. Neither of us had hardly any symptoms at all. I worked outside the whole of last week actually. It was basically a free weeks vacation for me. My only symptom that I can even point to was a light headache/ eye pain that I had the week prior to going out of work. It was very mild though. My wife had a slight headache for a day or so and no other symptoms. Neither of us ever had a fever (we checked every day just to make sure) neither of us ever developed any breathing issues or cough or anything. If not for the coronovirus panic we wouldn't have even stayed home from work a day with what we had.

Whats kind of funny, in a way, is that a few months ago, just before this coronovirus panic started, My wife came down with the flu (and she gets a yearly flu shot being in the medical field) and that flu had her in the bed for 7 straight days, fever, body aches, chills, fever didn't actually fully go away for 10 straight days. She hardly ate anything in those 10 days and lost several pounds. That's what the flu did to her. Coronovirus? She didn't even know she had it. Every person and case is different, but for my wife, the flu was far worse than the corona.

The only downside to all of this is that she doesn't get paid while she is out of work. I still got paid thankfully. Thats my coronovirus story - yall can go back to bickering now.

That's awesome, I mean that you folks had it and walked away pretty much without being real sick, congrats to both of you. If you don't mind me asking, what age group are you both in?

 

[NHSleddog]

That's awesome, I mean that you folks had it and walked away pretty much without being real sick, congrats to both of you. If you don't mind me asking, what age group are you both in?

Most (over 50%) NEVER KNEW THEY HAD IT.
A vast majority of the rest get mild symptoms.

 

[Daren Todd]

Well my wife and myself both just had the virus. I was out of work for 10 days due to protocol and had to test negative to return. My wife who is ADON of skilled nursing facility is out for 14 days then has to have 2 negatives to return to work given her job. Neither of us had hardly any symptoms at all. I worked outside the whole of last week actually. It was basically a free weeks vacation for me. My only symptom that I can even point to was a light headache/ eye pain that I had the week prior to going out of work. It was very mild though. My wife had a slight headache for a day or so and no other symptoms. Neither of us ever had a fever (we checked every day just to make sure) neither of us ever developed any breathing issues or cough or anything. If not for the coronovirus panic we wouldn't have even stayed home from work a day with what we had.

Whats kind of funny, in a way, is that a few months ago, just before this coronovirus panic started, My wife came down with the flu (and she gets a yearly flu shot being in the medical field) and that flu had her in the bed for 7 straight days, fever, body aches, chills, fever didn't actually fully go away for 10 straight days. She hardly ate anything in those 10 days and lost several pounds. That's what the flu did to her. Coronovirus? She didn't even know she had it. Every person and case is different, but for my wife, the flu was far worse than the corona.

The only downside to all of this is that she doesn't get paid while she is out of work. I still got paid thankfully. Thats my coronovirus story - yall can go back to bickering now.

She should be able to claim workmans comp. I know my wife can if she contracts it thru work.

 

[Tornado]

That's awesome, I mean that you folks had it and walked away pretty much without being real sick, congrats to both of you. If you don't mind me asking, what age group are you both in?

I am late 30's. Wife is mid 30's.

We kinda were expecting to get the virus eventually though. My wife as i said is ADON (assistant director of nursing) at a big nursing facility. The virus has ran all through the patients and staff there, and my wife was the primary point person on testing and coordination, so she was around coronovirus patients or testing staff all day long. Despite being in full PPE and mask and face shield all day, she still ended up with it, and then I got it from her. We werent ever worried about it however as it has spread all over here and we know tons of people who have it or have had it, and not a single case has been anything more than a mild illness. She has had now over 50 cases at her building. Over half of them have had zero symptoms (even elderly patients - a couple over 90 years old even) and the few who do have symptoms they have been really mild symtpoms or low grade fevers. Only about 2 cases have had high fevers or what wold be considered a moderate illness. None have been severe however. If you looked up online however you would see her facility has 2 covid deaths reported. Both of those deaths were already imminent before covid diagnosis. One of the deaths the gentleman was already in hospis care when they got his positive result back and he died the next day - my wife tells me he had massive health problems and covid had no hand in his death. He was counted as a covid death however because he had tested positive the day before he died. My wife says in all her experience thus far (over 60 hands on cases) that the number one symptom of those testing positive and who have a symptom is actually a headache.

While this gets a little off topic, I just feel it should be added that the saddest part of all this, from my wifes perspective is the elderly folks in this facility who have been cut off from their family entirely. My wife says that some of the patients under her care have become so depressed that she leaves their rooms with tears in her eyes everyday. On gentleman the other day, who had just tested positive for coronovirus, my wife went in to let him know of his result, and upon hearing the result, the man said to her that he hopes it kills him because he doesnt care to live anymore. He said this because he hasnt seen his family now in over 3 months and is essentially stuck inside his room, cant leave, cant do anything, cant see anyone. My wife has become pretty passionate about this issue, and has been trying to stress to folks that she feels the response to this virus in many cases is causing more harm than the virus itself. If you focus just on her one building, the response has caused drastically more damage to patient health than the actual virus. Its really sad. I really do wonder if when this is all over, if it ever ends, if the cost will have been worth it. We are paying for the response in so many different currencies - mental health, jobs, economy...

 

[NHSleddog]

... I just feel it should be added that the saddest part of all this, from my wifes perspective is the elderly folks in this facility who have been cut off from their family entirely.

And not just the elderly in homes. My parents (in their 80's) are locked down at home, and this response will make sure it lasts a long time.

My wife gave her 2 weeks notice today at the hospital. 20+ years in nursing and she has always loved it. The response to this covid has wiped her love out in a few months. All the new changes and bad numbers, she does not want to be a part of it (to be fair, it started after the Barry Care was fully implemented).

She is going to go back to working with the elderly in long term care. She says it is a lot harder but also much more rewarding.

There are a lot of elderly around the country dying from broken hearts.

 

[motionclone]

I am late 30's. Wife is mid 30's.

We kinda were expecting to get the virus eventually though. My wife as i said is ADON (assistant director of nursing) at a big nursing facility. The virus has ran all through the patients and staff there, and my wife was the primary point person on testing and coordination, so she was around coronovirus patients or testing staff all day long. Despite being in full PPE and mask and face shield all day, she still ended up with it, and then I got it from her. We werent ever worried about it however as it has spread all over here and we know tons of people who have it or have had it, and not a single case has been anything more than a mild illness. She has had now over 50 cases at her building. Over half of them have had zero symptoms (even elderly patients - a couple over 90 years old even) and the few who do have symptoms they have been really mild symtpoms or low grade fevers. Only about 2 cases have had high fevers or what wold be considered a moderate illness. None have been severe however. If you looked up online however you would see her facility has 2 covid deaths reported. Both of those deaths were already imminent before covid diagnosis. One of the deaths the gentleman was already in hospis care when they got his positive result back and he died the next day - my wife tells me he had massive health problems and covid had no hand in his death. He was counted as a covid death however because he had tested positive the day before he died. My wife says in all her experience thus far (over 60 hands on cases) that the number one symptom of those testing positive and who have a symptom is actually a headache.

While this gets a little off topic, I just feel it should be added that the saddest part of all this, from my wifes perspective is the elderly folks in this facility who have been cut off from their family entirely. My wife says that some of the patients under her care have become so depressed that she leaves their rooms with tears in her eyes everyday. On gentleman the other day, who had just tested positive for coronovirus, my wife went in to let him know of his result, and upon hearing the result, the man said to her that he hopes it kills him because he doesnt care to live anymore. He said this because he hasnt seen his family now in over 3 months and is essentially stuck inside his room, cant leave, cant do anything, cant see anyone. My wife has become pretty passionate about this issue, and has been trying to stress to folks that she feels the response to this virus in many cases is causing more harm than the virus itself. If you focus just on her one building, the response has caused drastically more damage to patient health than the actual virus. Its really sad. I really do wonder if when this is all over, if it ever ends, if the cost will have been worth it. We are paying for the response in so many different currencies - mental health, jobs, economy...

Thank you for your boots on the ground information. We hear so much anecdotal or theoretic scenarios and they all, of course, have a much more frightening ending than the info you have shared.

Thanks to your wife for being the only connection really to the outside world for a lot of those folks. My daughter is early 20s and works in a nursing home as well. Zero covid cases yet no visitors allowed.

 

[Tornado]

She should be able to claim workmans comp. I know my wife can if she contracts it thru work.

Yea, well her company has also offered to let employees take some kind of pay advance loan for staff that are out for multiple weeks without pay. In a few cases my wife has actually had some staff test positive for 3 and even 4 weeks in a row, despite having ZERO symptoms. As long as they keep testing positive however they are not allowed in the building. They are tested in the parking lot on a rotation. Its been really frustrating for a few of these nurses who have been forced to be out for 3 or 4 weeks, especially when they are completely asymptomatic.

Thankfully however we are very financially stable and will not try to take advantage of anything. Hopefully she is just out the 2 weeks and can return to work. She wants to go back - they are struggling right now as you can imagine with so much staff out. Her friends and colleagues are pulling 80 and 90 hours a week right now to keep the place running. To make matters worse just last week, the first week she was out, they began setting up an actual covid unit in the building. This requires one entire wing of the building to essentially be quartered off. it required moving all kinds of stuff around. Nurses were there for 17 hours the first day with all the moving and of equipment and supplies and putting all the things in place that are required to make that wing of the building be completely free standing from the rest of the building. Its just a lot of stress, with not enough help, and to make matters worse some of the CNA's have just stopped showing up. No call, no show, just stopped showing up. So not only do they have staff out with the virus but then others who just checked out and ran, putting even more strain on the dedicated staff.

 

[sheepfarmer]

Well my wife and myself both just had the virus. I was out of work for 10 days due to protocol and had to test negative to return. My wife who is ADON of skilled nursing facility is out for 14 days then has to have 2 negatives to return to work given her job. Neither of us had hardly any symptoms at all. I worked outside the whole of last week actually. It was basically a free weeks vacation for me. My only symptom that I can even point to was a light headache/ eye pain that I had the week prior to going out of work. It was very mild though. My wife had a slight headache for a day or so and no other symptoms. Neither of us ever had a fever (we checked every day just to make sure) neither of us ever developed any breathing issues or cough or anything. If not for the coronovirus panic we wouldn't have even stayed home from work a day with what we had.

Whats kind of funny, in a way, is that a few months ago, just before this coronovirus panic started, My wife came down with the flu (and she gets a yearly flu shot being in the medical field) and that flu had her in the bed for 7 straight days, fever, body aches, chills, fever didn't actually fully go away for 10 straight days. She hardly ate anything in those 10 days and lost several pounds. That's what the flu did to her. Coronovirus? She didn't even know she had it. Every person and case is different, but for my wife, the flu was far worse than the corona.

The only downside to all of this is that she doesn't get paid while she is out of work. I still got paid thankfully. Thats my coronovirus story - yall can go back to bickering now.

Good deal! Out of idle curiosity are both of you under 60? Thin? No diabetes? No high blood pressure? No smoking or vaping? No one pregnant?

 

[Tornado]

Thank you for your boots on the ground information. We hear so much anecdotal or theoretic scenarios and they all, of course, have a much more frightening ending than the info you have shared.

Thanks to your wife for being the only connection really to the outside world for a lot of those folks. My daughter is early 20s and works in a nursing home as well. Zero covid cases yet no visitors allowed.

If I could stress anything it would be that this virus is not the monster the media are making out to be. Outside of my wifes work, we know many many others who have had it as well. At my job for example, we have had about a dozen cases in the building already - and its a small staff. No one has been seriously ill with it out of all of those. My boss actually got it and was out, his wife got it as well. They are both 65 and 66 years old. He had a low grade fever and felt a little worn out for a few days but then bounced back. His wife had no symptoms at all. Several ladies who all went out with ita t the same time, not a single one of them had any symptom - one of them is a very obese woman in her 50's (someone I would have expected to have some complications) I could just relate case after case to you. The worst we have seen or even heard about locally is a few cases were folks had essentially full on flu symptoms - chills, body aches, fever of 102, loss of appetite, and essentially in bed for 3 or 4 days at home. That is the most severe we have seen, and its been in maybe 5 cases out of the well over 100 we are either aware of or have had close contact with. The only deaths have been the 2 I mentioned above. The one I already mentioned was already in hospice care, the other death was another elderly male who was in extremely poor health and was transferred to the hospital after testing positive. he had a page full of medical issues going on, and then got covid on top of it all, so they sent him out and he later died. My wifes clinical opinion was that he was on his way out very soon with or without covid as well. Here again though my wife made note that this was another man who had been buried in depression before he left their facility. He ended up dieing and never saw his family again. When you are in my wifes position and you keep seeing stuff like that over and over again it really hits home. Its not about politics or who's right and wrong, it becomes about the patient. My wife has a tender heart. she is a very selfless woman and I love her for it, but this has been tough on her, watching these people just fall into depression. I wish more folks could go into these facilities and walk a day in the shoes of these nurses and see what the other cost of this panic has become.

Ill throw one more anecdote in here because I just feel this issue isnt getting any attention - the staff has tried to do all they can to brighten up the patients. They arranged several weeks ago for a little parade to take place in front of the facility. Family members were invited to make up signs, or decorate their cars if they wanted to, and then drive by the facility and honk and wave and just try to put on a little surprise for the patients. As you may can imagine my wife walked away in tears that day. It was this little hokey parade, but she watched those elderly sit there and just cry with happiness as their families drove by and honked and waved signs, etc. My wife told me that the patients wouldn't stop thanking the nurses, and broke down again saying thank you to the staff for doing that for them. My wife had lump in her throat all day that day and even cried telling me about it again that night. This crap is taking a massive toll on these folks. In an effort to save their health and hopefully their lives, we are destroying their quality of life and in many cases their mental health. If they aren't getting coronovirus, but are going on anti depressant medications, are we really helping them? I just wish we would think more about that. What would WE want if it were us in their shoes?

 

[Tornado]

Thanks to your wife for being the only connection really to the outside world for a lot of those folks. My daughter is early 20s and works in a nursing home as well. Zero covid cases yet no visitors allowed.

Sorry motion I also wanted to say hats off to your daughter as well. Hopefully she isnt going to work scared every day. If she is fearful maybe share my wifes experience with her. I think if it does get into her building, and she gets to see it first hand, her fear will actually decrease rather than increase. This has been the case with most around here- the fear of it has went down substantially now that people have seen it first hand, because they realize its not as bad as the media makes it seem it is.

I will just say though that if the facility your daughter works in ever gets a single case in the building, just be prepared for an explosion. Once one person gets it in there it seems impossible to stop. At my wife's facility they handled it about as good as you could we felt. They went a long time without a case in the building, while sister facilities and other health care buildings in the area were cases stacking up. There was a feeling almost of inevitability we had though. They kept it out of there for weeks and weeks while it was running rampant at these other places though. They are spraying down the place 3 times a day with a disinfectant solution. Housekeeping is working long hours just sanitizing nonstop. They put in place all sorts of protocols for staff and residents, nurses were forced to wear masks all day in all patient care areas. Ultimately though nothing has worked. My wife says it made no real logical sense in how it spread either. One patient who never leaves their room in one wing may come down with it and test positive but a man who wheels himself all over the building in his wheelchair will be negative every time he is tested. It was often just defying logic why certain ones were testing positive given where they where, their exposure, etc etc. My wife said the best guess they have is that it was traveling through the air conditioning system somehow, coupled with perhaps wildly varying incubation periods. My wife contends that the virus is much more airborne than people think. Nurses walking around in full PPE, face masks, and face shields still being infected as well. Obviously it takes just one little slip up or one little opening or hole to potentially be exposed to such a micro organism like a virus, but we know of no building where they had just once or 2 cases and then it stopped there - once you get 1 it quickly becomes 10 and 20 and 40, no matter what you do it seems. The first several cases they got they actually sent them out of the facility immediately to a sister facility that had a covid unit - even despite getting them out of the building asap, quarantining, sanitizing nonstop, and many other measures, it still ran all through the building. My wife would tell me stories of how they spent all day setting this up, doing this, doing that, thinking this should slow it down considerably, or stop it, only to have the cases keep mounting.

The best thing is to just not panic and focus on the facts - for the vast majority of people covid-19 is a mild respiratory illness. The majority of cases have NO symptoms at all. Of those that DO have symptoms, only a small percentage of them will actually evolve into a serious illness. Of those who become seriously ill, many still survive. Underlying health issues are a MASSIVE contributor to death. The chances of dieing from this thing if you have No big underlying health issues is extremely minuscule. People are irrationally scared of this thing in many cases. Just use common sense and go on with life.

 

[sparky45]

I wouldn't care what your mask said if wearing it exhibited some real concern for your friends, neighbors and the country.

This and several other threads have gone off the rails with regard to no politics on the forum. Please....

A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers
C Raina MacIntyre,1 Holly Seale,1 Tham Chi Dung,2 Nguyen Tran Hien,2 Phan Thi Nga,2 Abrar Ahmad Chughtai,1 Bayzidur Rahman,1 Dominic E Dwyer,3 and Quanyi Wang4
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This article has been cited by other articles in PMC.

Abstract
Objective
The aim of this study was to compare the efficacy of cloth masks to medical masks in hospital healthcare workers (HCWs). The null hypothesis is that there is no difference between medical masks and cloth masks.
Setting
14 secondary-level/tertiary-level hospitals in Hanoi, Vietnam.
Participants
1607 hospital HCWs aged ≥18 years working full-time in selected high-risk wards.
Intervention
Hospital wards were randomised to: medical masks, cloth masks or a control group (usual practice, which included mask wearing). Participants used the mask on every shift for 4 consecutive weeks.
Main outcome measure
Clinical respiratory illness (CRI), influenza-like illness (ILI) and laboratory-confirmed respiratory virus infection.
Results
The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.
Conclusions
This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.

 

[sparky45]

So do you also feel it is important to drive on the right hand side of the road to demonstrate independence from an arbitrary rule? After all some countries have chosen the left hand side.

I believe that's law.

 

[sparky45]

I see HANLON'S RAZOR is in full force by the MASKER'S. It's simple, there's no conspiracy or malice afoot, so..........

 

[CaveCreekRay]

The Most Deadly Virus Ever

 

[NHSleddog]

Part of the crud is from a breath he took 10 minutes ago, some of it from the last time he used the mask.

 

[sparky45]

Post #1731 sites a clinical research paper about masks. The MOST WORTHLESS, feel good thing people can do is wear a mask and expect it to work to protect others or the user. Again, HANLON'S RAZOR.

 

[Hue]

You most certainly can. Tell that to all the people out of work losing their businesses.

I said that you can't survive something you haven't been infected with, and I stand by that. Otherwise I'm a cancer, ebola, plague survivor, etc... The people you mention have been affected, not infected....maybe both. People all over the world are experiencing this, and have taken hits on their economy due to lockdowns. Was it the right call? We'll never know because we didn't let it run rampant. Considering the extreme measures most countries in the world are taking I have a hard time swallowing that this disease is mostly harmless. I'll leave you with some lyrics from one of my favorite bands, and I'm gonna leave it at that. Take care NHS, I want an end to this as much as you do.
A few weeks till extinction and there's nothing we can do
A message sent to other worlds will say "It was just the flu"

 

[sparky45]

" How could such a stupid thing destroy humanity? "

I contend it was a deliberate act on the part of China, what the Hell they care about how many people die.
BTW, you are a survivor of Cancer, ebola, ect; that is until you aren't.

 

[sheepfarmer]

Here is an interesting set of preliminary data for a double blind study for another drug treatment for covid. It looks encouraging. An inhaled medication.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53467022

 

[twomany]

Well my wife and myself both just had the virus. I was out of work for 10 days due to protocol and had to test negative to return. My wife who is ADON of skilled nursing facility is out for 14 days then has to have 2 negatives to return to work given her job. Neither of us had hardly any symptoms at all. I worked outside the whole of last week actually. It was basically a free weeks vacation for me. My only symptom that I can even point to was a light headache/ eye pain that I had the week prior to going out of work. It was very mild though. My wife had a slight headache for a day or so and no other symptoms. Neither of us ever had a fever (we checked every day just to make sure) neither of us ever developed any breathing issues or cough or anything. If not for the coronovirus panic we wouldn't have even stayed home from work a day with what we had.

Whats kind of funny, in a way, is that a few months ago, just before this coronovirus panic started, My wife came down with the flu (and she gets a yearly flu shot being in the medical field) and that flu had her in the bed for 7 straight days, fever, body aches, chills, fever didn't actually fully go away for 10 straight days. She hardly ate anything in those 10 days and lost several pounds. That's what the flu did to her. Coronovirus? She didn't even know she had it. Every person and case is different, but for my wife, the flu was far worse than the corona.

The only downside to all of this is that she doesn't get paid while she is out of work. I still got paid thankfully. Thats my coronovirus story - yall can go back to bickering now.

Good outcome, good story!

I like real facts on the matter. Thanks for sharing!