The issue is...if you leave the drivers seat to use the BH, you can’t...cause the engine stops when you get up. The only way to actually run the BH (mine is a separate seat behind the drivers seat) is to defeat the safety switch...
Another Safety Issue—- Seat Switch Deactivated?
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That is strange. I can leave the drivers seat to get in the back hoe without the engine stopping. I just can't move it. You would have to disable it in your case or you wouldn't be able to use the hoe.
My seat switch stops me from starting or moving without being in the seat which is reasonable but I can still move the FEL or hoe.
My seat switch stops me from starting or moving without being in the seat which is reasonable but I can still move the FEL or hoe.
I know this is what is commonly stated, and something I just believed without thinking about it until this moment.
Why is that? Is the thought behind the statement that the ROPS may turn the tractor into a mouse trap, with the operator being the mouse, worst case?
Just seem like if the ROPS missed you, and stopped the tractor from rolling more, it might be better if the ROPS were up during a tip over, even if you were not wearing your seat belt.
Not arguing either way...just trying to understand the logic...
Fortunately they don't tie it into the seatbelt as well.
I never wear a seat belt on an open air ROPS machine. Too exposed without a quick exit. I have been nearly impaled (more than once) in the woods, attacked by bees etc. I rolled over in an old ford backhoe when I was younger and would have been crushed by a fence if I was wearing a belt. In open air I want a rapid exit option.
Inside a cab, I always wear a seat belt to stay inside that space.
Like mom always said, make good decisions.
I never wear a seat belt on an open air ROPS machine. Too exposed without a quick exit. I have been nearly impaled (more than once) in the woods, attacked by bees etc. I rolled over in an old ford backhoe when I was younger and would have been crushed by a fence if I was wearing a belt. In open air I want a rapid exit option.
Inside a cab, I always wear a seat belt to stay inside that space.
Like mom always said, make good decisions.
Magicman
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My ROPS Owner's Manual states that if the ROPS was up; wear the lap belt. If the ROPS was folded; so not wear the lap belt.
My last 2 tractors JD 4310 & Grand L6060, I installed a bypass switch. My grand son has been driving my tractors since he was 8 or 10 and I didn't want him to be able to forget to shut the implement off before dismounting. Now when I need to stand up to see the fork tips or run the chipper, etc I just flip the switch and seat switch is bypassed. I hate to disconnect safety switches but some of them are not user friendly.
GreensvilleJay
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What's idiotic to me is 'they' add parts/wiring to prevent someone from cutting grass in reverse on riders.. then after we complain, they add MORE part/wiring to allow us to cut grass in reverse.....oh yeah, first 10 pages are safety instructions and warnings, sigh...
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Yes, that is ridiculous... My Craftsman Lawn Tractor key/start switch has 4 positions: OFF, Start, Run/Mow forward but die while attempting to mow in reverse, and RUN/MOW any direction desired. Go figure.
That's why I installed a separate BH seat, and the swivel seat adapter is sitting in a box. I often have to move the tractor forward or back several feet to realign. Standing beside the tractor I can lift the bucket, hold the safety switch down with one finger while the other hand moves the foot pedal, reset the bucket, then climb back on the BH. Swiveling that seat back and forth every time I get on/off the BH would drive me even further into the crazy zone than I already am.
dirtydeed
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Agreed, disabled on one of my zero turns, and the other two have key positions that allow for mowing in reverse. I found that its' really hard on the electric clutches constantly popping in and out. I get that you really shouldn't need reverse with a zero turn, but you still do at times.
I will say that I sort of understand the issue. Just last year, there was a guy locally that backed his mower over his son in the driveway...blades running. His son lived...barely, and not without some lifelong injuries.
GreensvilleJay
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re: Just last year, there was a guy locally that backed his mower over his son
sad, real sad but ...
?? HOW can a guy backup without looking ????
sad, real sad but ...
?? HOW can a guy backup without looking ????
dirtydeed
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I think many of us just get in a hurry. I didn't see any additional report on the incident that I was referring to, but it happened in October 2019 not far from me. The boy was 6 y/o and the last report stated he was recovering in the ICU.
Yes, it's sad.
On my BX, I have a jumper in the seat switch that I can insert/remove as needed. The seat switch is a PITA on a tractor that's primarily used for lawn mowing, but when I let my kids mow, I remove the jumper.
I ran into the same issue on my B2601.. but apparently unlike the b2650 which earlier poster said it would not shut off if PTO engaged when off the seat, mine dies regardless of position when I start tractor, never sit in seat, and leave trans in neutral .
I rigged a mechanical lever.. but thinking it may be more reliable to just add a button in parallel to the switch to bypass it. Can anyone confirm this is just a SPST lever switch? Any special tips for bypassing it?
I rigged a mechanical lever.. but thinking it may be more reliable to just add a button in parallel to the switch to bypass it. Can anyone confirm this is just a SPST lever switch? Any special tips for bypassing it?
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On my BX23 there are I believe, 3 safety switches, seat, pto, and treadle. Most of the time they don't interfere with whatever you are doing on with the tractor. That being said, there are times when they are a PIA and for this I have a switch that bypasses them all.
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Got rid of my mine the first day, a brand new L3301. No thanks.
I also disabled the beeper when traveling gizmo on my U25 S mini excavator, are you kidding me?! But, I didn't remove it entirely, (as I may sell it, unlike my tractor, which will be buried with me) just wired in a defeat switch, and even labeled it.
I also disabled the beeper when traveling gizmo on my U25 S mini excavator, are you kidding me?! But, I didn't remove it entirely, (as I may sell it, unlike my tractor, which will be buried with me) just wired in a defeat switch, and even labeled it.
OP, you just reminded me that I need to / still have not removed my seat safety switch. Damn thing makes the motor cut out every time I lean forward to see where I'm going. It is a royal PITA.
Now a question for those that have removed it: Is it an "open" or "closed" circuit for the tractor to run? My last riding lawn mower, a department store JD mower, was a "closed" circuit; in other words, I couldn't just disconnect the wiring, I then had to close the circuit (I made a connector in the wiring plug, so I could remove it and reconnect the safety switch if I ever sold the mower). An "open to run" circuit is easier to deal with: just unplug it!
Now a question for those that have removed it: Is it an "open" or "closed" circuit for the tractor to run? My last riding lawn mower, a department store JD mower, was a "closed" circuit; in other words, I couldn't just disconnect the wiring, I then had to close the circuit (I made a connector in the wiring plug, so I could remove it and reconnect the safety switch if I ever sold the mower). An "open to run" circuit is easier to deal with: just unplug it!