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[sheepfarmer]

What evidence are your referring too???

It's also not a conspiracy theory for someone to make an educated decision about their health and treatment.

The covid vaccine was only on production for 6 months before being rolled out to the general public.

One of those vaccines (Johnson and johnson) later lost emergency approval due to adverse side effects.

That's 1/3 of the the offered vaccines.

Everybody gets bombarded every day with commercials for lawsuits against drug manufacturers for medications that have been on the market for years that were later found to cause serious medical issues.

That makes it pretty reasonable for someone to question the integrity of a vaccine that has only been in the works for 6 months.

There are no long term studies.

They have know idea about long term side effects.

They had no idea about birth defects.

As far as the CDC goes.... they didn't have a flipping clue. They changed their recommendations weekly. I have 5 relatives in various Healthcare settings. My wife handled implementing the recommendations in the nursing facility she worked in.

One week they were stating one thing. The next they were stating the opposite.

Don't forget to take into account the role of politicians in determining what was being said "officially" by the CDC. It was possible to read the scientific papers of the available data at any given point in time and decide for oneself what made sense. The orders and public proclamations issued were hugely influenced by what was politically expedient, especially for the president. Or in some cases the governor of the state you live in. It must have been maddening for your wife.

 

[Daren Todd]

Don't forget to take into account the role of politicians in determining what was being said "officially" by the CDC. It was possible to read the scientific papers of the available data at any given point in time and decide for oneself what made sense. The orders and public proclamations issued were hugely influenced by what was politically expedient, especially for the president. Or in some cases the governor of the state you live in. It must have been maddening for your wife.

Yes... there were quite a few WTF moments..... then plenty of venting when she got home

 

[Runs With Scissors]

Did they make you put a brush guard on when you got there?

Come on man........ Follow the science.........Everyone knows that "brush guards" work.

Just ask this guy in the middle.

 

[Runs With Scissors]

Everyone should do their own research and be allowed to do what's best for them.

I have done mine, and I am not getting the Slab Jab.

I have had Covid 3 times, the first time was pretty severe, but I chose to call the James Clinic.

They prescribed me Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, Zinc and a cocktail of other vitamins.

2 hours after taking them, my pulse ox went from 91 to 97.

In 24 hours it was like it never happened.

It worked the next 2 times the same.

I now keep a supply on hand

After my dad was killed by the hospital when he got Covid, I no longer trust those "quacks".

I also no longer trust any doctor that wears a mask to prevent viral transmissions.

 

[jimh406]

I also no longer trust any doctor that wears a mask to prevent viral transmissions.

I think that depends. My dentist wore double masks until he got in the room with me. I think he wore them for the people that felt safer … probably were wearing masks in their cars by themselves. Oh well …

 

[P0234]

It's ok if you want to believe you are right. It's ok for others to believe they are right as well. What wasn't right was not allowing people to make up their mind, and hiding information about real treatments.

It's also idiotic to force any vaccine on people that have no significant risk from the illness. Yet, that really happened, and some of those people died from the vaccine. It's not a conspiracy theory, but you do have to step outside your comfort zone to find it.

There were a lot of reasons to force vaccination on people. You can choose which ones you believe. Isn't it interesting that people who were kicked out of military for not getting vaccinated are now allowed back in.

You know that same argument has been used against seat belts and countless other things that have saved lives.

"I don't wear seat belts because it's safer to be thrown from the car. My uncle Ronnie was killed by a seat belt when he was driving drunk and high out of his mind, he did a Dukes of Hazard jump right into a tree, and that seatbelt trapped him in his car, he was burned alive! They just aren't SAFE"

No one is saying vaccines are perfect. People get sick from them and die. But the net gain in lives saved is VASTLY over those that are negatively impacted. If you can't see that, well there is nothing that can be done for you.

 

[D2Cat]

Everyone should do their own research and be allowed to do what's best for them.

I have done mine, and I am not getting the Slab Jab.

I have had Covid 3 times, the first time was pretty severe, but I chose to call the James Clinic.

They prescribed me Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, Zinc and a cocktail of other vitamins.

2 hours after taking them, my pulse ox went from 91 to 97.

In 24 hours it was like it never happened.

It worked the next 2 times the same.

I now keep a supply on hand

After my dad was killed by the hospital when he got Covid, I no longer trust those "quacks".

I also no longer trust any doctor that wears a mask to prevent viral transmissions.

RWS, those items in the cocktail were constantly being po po'ed by main stream media. Then it became repeated enough times it became truth. Ivermectin was referred to as "horse paste" and the negative connotations continued.

Many other countries used Ivermectin and Hydroxychlorine in their treatment. In Mexico the government provides each family with a health kit and one of the ingredients was 6mg Ivermectin tablets. These tablets can be purchased at most drug stores in Mexico.

 

[P0234]

Many other countries used Ivermectin and Hydroxychlorine in their treatment. In Mexico the government provides each family with a health kit and one of the ingredients was 6mg Ivermectin tablets. These tablets can be purchased at most drug stores in Mexico.

ProvidED. Seems they fell for the fake science too, and then they pulled it. So cool half story.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-imssmexico-ivermectin/fact-check-mexico-no-longer-including-ivermectin-in-home-covid-19-care-kits-contrary-to-claims-on-social-media-idUSL1N2U626I/

 

[jimh406]

You know that same argument has been used against seat belts and countless other things that have saved lives.

Yep, it’s exactly the same thing … Seriously, do you remember seat belt censorship … I don’t.

 

[jimh406]

Seems they fell for the fake science too, and then they pulled it. So cool half story.

Seems that lots of people on Orange Tractor Talk fell for the fake science, too. They just don’t know what was fake.

 

[Daren Todd]

Seems that lots of people on Orange Tractor Talk fell for the fake science, too. They just don’t know what was fake.

What gets me is folks being called conspiracy theorists for making their own decisions and attacked for "Not Following the Science".

The truth is, the vast majority of people who contracted covid had worse symptoms from the flu. Tons of people didn't realize they even had it until they happened to test positive on a random screening.

 

[wp6529]

What gets me is folks being called conspiracy theorists for making their own decisions and attacked for "Not Following the Science".

The truth is, the vast majority of people who contracted covid had worse symptoms from the flu. Tons of people didn't realize they even had it until they happened to test positive on a random screening.

What gets me is the conspiracy theorists continuing to spew their drivel to stroke their fragile egos thinking they are privy to some earth shattering information and they are somehow proven right when every bit of credible data proves them disasterously wrong.

The truth is that millions of people around the world died from covid and a huge number are suffering long term affects of covid. People harmed by the vaccines number in the hundreds while those protected by the vaccines number in the tens of millions.

 

[jimh406]

People harmed by the vaccines number in the hundreds while those protected by the vaccines number in the tens of millions.

To use your word, that's an example of drivel.

There is no way to prove how many people were "protected". It's not like everyone who got Covid died or were even very sick. Many of the people forced to become vaccinated were in categories like the very young that almost never had a severe case.

Obviously, the number harmed is probably a lot more than hundreds, and we'll likely never know how many.

 

[wp6529]

To use your word, that's an example of drivel.

There is no way to prove how many people were "protected". It's not like everyone who got Covid died or were even very sick. Many of the people forced to become vaccinated were in categories like the very young that almost never had a severe case.

Obviously, the number harmed is probably a lot more than hundreds, and we'll likely never know how many.

I take it you slept through statistical analysis 101. We have data on hundreds of millions of cases, we can very readily get a good estimate of how many were helped by the vaccines.

 

[jimh406]

we can very readily get a good estimate of how many were helped by the vaccines.

What’s the baseline you are comparing to? Oh wait, there isn’t one. Not everyone who didn’t get the vaccine were significantly injured by Covid, but your take is they needed to be ”helped”.

The same person can’t be part of the vaccine group and non-vaccine group.

 

[lugbolt]

You know that same argument has been used against seat belts and countless other things that have saved lives.

"I don't wear seat belts because it's safer to be thrown from the car. My uncle Ronnie was killed by a seat belt when he was driving drunk and high out of his mind, he did a Dukes of Hazard jump right into a tree, and that seatbelt trapped him in his car, he was burned alive! They just aren't SAFE"

No one is saying vaccines are perfect. People get sick from them and die. But the net gain in lives saved is VASTLY over those that are negatively impacted. If you can't see that, well there is nothing that can be done for you.

seat belts had a long history of use, long before they were put into road cars. So they had plenty of research. People still don't use them, and I don't occasionally. It's our choice, although we're breaking the law. So that's that.

for covid. There is a lot of research being done about the vaccines. Currently I'm understanding that the Mrna vaccines do in fact show signs of long term side effects. FTR, I did not get a vaccine. I got really, really sick, twice --both times covid negative. Nobody knew what it was, but it was gone in a week or so. Now my neighbor has it, I'm taking care of their place til they get out of the hospital. Covid negative. Him and her both have it. The girls are fine for now, staying at their grandma's place until it blows over.

it begs the question, how many false negatives were there?
How many sick and deceased were attributed to covid? And what was the reasoning, if they did not in fact actually have it?

Daren Todd's right. Stats locally, 91% of unvaccinated covid cases were less severe than flu. This from a doctor at one of the hospitals. Generally speaking those who had other health concerns had a rough time with the covid. Kinda like I did. Nonetheless I have a heart for those who lost loved ones due to the illness. I'm not turning my back on the fact that it happened; rather pointing out that the vast majority of folks will get it and be done with it in a few days' time.

remember our leaders were reliant on fake fauci for information. Thus, we all got Fauci'd as a result.

There is still not a whole lot of information as to how to deal with covid, either. Vaccine (which is still new) and then they also are trying to find treatments for those who are currently sick. Right now there isn't a whole lot of treatment for it unless the patient is extremely sick with it, and at that point they "do their best". (quote from one of the local doctors when I was in the hospital).