Tractor Warm Up Question

rc51stierhoff

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Sort of. On these tractors the engine mounted implement pump and hydrostatic power steering is what is doing the real warm up and generating a lot more heat than the charge pump. But every little bit helps.

Dan
I don’t think the reason to warm up is limited to the fluids and circulation…it’s important I think fuel that gels and oil that gets thick with cool temp warming up only helps. However, I think all those precision machines parts that also expand and contract with temp probably makes sense to let them get close to operating temperature before WFO. Little bit of fuel is cheaper than snap crackle and pop.
 

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I don’t think the reason to warm up is limited to the fluids and circulation…it’s important I think fuel that gels and oil that gets thick with cool temp warming up only helps. However, I think all those precision machines parts that also expand and contract with temp probably makes sense to let them get close to operating temperature before WFO. Little bit of fuel is cheaper than snap crackle and pop.
The faster you warm that fluid the faster those parts get warmed. The fluid is what is doing the warmup.

Dan
 

lynnmor

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The faster you warm that fluid the faster those parts get warmed. The fluid is what is doing the warmup.

Dan
But faster means more load on those parts that are not ready for prime time. Yes, it is a judgement call since no two startups are exactly the same.
 

ruger1980

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So does that mean when warming up the engine, the HST is also warming up?
As has been stated yes the charge relief does create some heat although it is limited. As you stated it is better than nothing. The rotating groups inside the HST housing will also heat the oil due to the friction created by spinning through the oil inside the HST housing.

As far as the hydraulic and steering pump(s) they are open center and without operating a function the only heat created is from the friction of the pump(s) and the flow of oil through the circuit. But it does distribute what heat is in the circuit throughout the components that it comes in contact with.

I probably wouldn't equate it to an automatic transmission which will have a torque converter or fluid coupling, as these components will build heat during operation in neutral.
 

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My BX23S is stored in an unheated garage. In winter, I warm the glo plugs until the gas guage stops it's dance. I start up, raise my bucket and get it outside. I'll make sure I have my gloves and hat on and putter down the driveway (350') and gently start to move some snow. As it warms up, I slowly raise the revs. Then it's work as normal. In the summer, I just putter to the area I'm going to work and slowly start my task. As it warms up, I work as normal.
 
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BobInSD

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this question comes up frequently.
I myself tend to follow the highly paid, big educated engineers who designed and built my stuff.

Me I ain't smart enough to think I know more so I will follow their rec's at least as a minimum.

I figure if I don't then I have no sway to complain if something breaks.

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My concern with that chart is that it doesn't go far enough. Do I need 10 more minutes at -14 and 5 more at -20 F? Or is 30 minutes good for any temp below -4 F?
 

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Any engine warmed to operating temp will outlast one driven cold by a factor of at least 5. Many Americans do not have the patience in our fast paced world to do this. Knew a guy who had a auto trans shop and he said he drove around the block before he hit the highway.
 

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My concern with that chart is that it doesn't go far enough. Do I need 10 more minutes at -14 and 5 more at -20 F? Or is 30 minutes good for any temp below -4 F?
I live in Alaska and that is not necessary. You should not need more than 10 at the most and I am a warm up fanatic.
 

top gnome

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From my BX manual. Seems I am not far off the mark, for winter use....I might be a little bit agressive for the summer. Although I am sure it's correct for some situations and tractors, there's no way in HE-double-hockey-sticks I have the patience to wait >30minutes as someone else posted.
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I've owned a couple older VW diesels (apples/oranges) and grew very impatient waiting for the thing to blow heat in the dead of winter. Best idea I ever had was a coolant heater on a timer. I'd come out at 7am, windshield would be thawed out in most cases and I had a small amount of heat once I started driving.
I know it's different, but a block heater is not a bad thing at all.
In my manual the sentence before this chart is for the hydraulic / HST oil and says to run the tractor at about 50% of the rated power for these times.

I generally wait to plow snow until mid day but today I needed to get out early and it was -2 F I used the block heater and that moved the heat gage up really fast ready in about 5 minutes.
 

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In my manual the sentence before this chart is for the hydraulic / HST oil and says to run the tractor at about 50% of the rated power for these times.

I generally wait to plow snow until mid day but today I needed to get out early and it was -2 F I used the block heater and that moved the heat gage up really fast ready in about 5 minutes.
I don't run mine below 20 degrees if I can help it. Lived in Alaska a long time and know that cold is like a disease for internal combustion engines and especially drive trains. I know that is not possible with many people. Years ago I once had a VW little 1969 station wagon that put out little or no heat. Being stupid as youth often is I drove that VW from Fairbanks to Anchorage at temps as low as -40. Was covered from head to toe in parka and snow pants.
 

BobInSD

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I don't run mine below 20 degrees if I can help it. Lived in Alaska a long time and know that cold is like a disease for internal combustion engines and especially drive trains. I know that is not possible with many people. Years ago I once had a VW little 1969 station wagon that put out little or no heat. Being stupid as youth often is I drove that VW from Fairbanks to Anchorage at temps as low as -40. Was covered from head to toe in parka and snow pants.
Trips kinda stop being fun once you have to stop and scrape the inside of the windshield
 
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