COVID-19 Stuff

[SidecarFlip]

My final comment to you all is this... Do whatever you want to, I don't really care. I'll do what I feel is best for me but again, if you get it don't whine because I cannot hear you.

 

[bearbait]

At this point I think we should all just agreed to disagree, this is going no where.

 

[coachgeo]

Its not a law its and "Executive Order" made unilaterally

what is definition of "executive order"? I've not looked it up yet.. but isn't that essentially a short cut way of making "a law" by those with such constitutional power; who were constitutionally voted into their position ?

agree with concept of petition/protest, so yeah go for it... openly defy a law on a rarity.... honestly might can see that too ... but that really needs to be a high rarity tool of protest . Issue is right now... it is getting way over used. When overused that in itself is as slippery a slope to a bad form of government "Mob rule" as is some of the decisions of recent that are slippery slope to socialism.

some folk really need to step back some and think of the country as a whole.... and protest etc as is actually written in the US constitution.

 

[motionclone]

what is definition of "executive order"? I've not looked it up yet.. but isn't that essentially a short cut way of making "a law" by those with such constitutional power; who were constitutionally voted into their position ?

agree with concept of petition/protest, so yeah go for it... openly defy a law on a rarity.... honestly might can see that too ... but that really needs to be a high rarity tool of protest . Issue is right now... it is getting way over used. When overused that in itself is as slippery a slope to a bad form of government "Mob rule" as is some of the decisions of recent that are slippery slope to socialism.

some folk really need to step back some and think of the country as a whole.... and protest etc as is actually written in the US constitution.

These stay at home orders are not laws, they are orders drafted by the Governor only, no legislative involvement. At least in my state. Sure the gov has legal authority to make these orders but considering that this is an unprecedented event and the orders are destroying entire local economies and the "threat" in my state is minimal if you look at numbers, yeah we are in defiance of the orders. And NO Janet Mills was NOT democratically elected, Maine had just started using the controversial system of ranked choice voting.


Legislators, the ones who make law, are being left out of the loop. Gov is acting unilaterally like a dictator: https://www.pressherald.com/2020/05/03/republicans-demand-removal-of-mills-emergency-powers/#


Also not saying that we need to go back to the way things were overnight at all. BUT simply do not trust that my state government has our best interests in mind with the Orders that have been put in place.

 

[sheepfarmer]

Actually the tenth amendment gives broad constitutional powers to states to institute and enforce quarantines in the interests of public health. So some of those freedoms were long since gone. Most state statutes are old. Interpretations of the details are therefore debatable. There are protections against unreasonable or capricious application of the state statutes to individuals. They are expected to be temporary. Here are some links.


https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html


https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/constitutional-powers-and-issues-during-a-quarantine-situation

 

[motionclone]

Actually the tenth amendment gives broad constitutional powers to states to institute and enforce quarantines in the interests of public health. So some of those freedoms were long since gone. Most state statutes are old. Interpretations of the details are therefore debatable. There are protections against unreasonable or capricious application of the state statutes to individuals. They are expected to be temporary. Here are some links.


https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html


https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/constitutional-powers-and-issues-during-a-quarantine-situation

I hear you but our politicians are shady. Our Governor held secret meetings about the pandemic violating law. Real law. Law voted on by my representatives.

"Mills staff made no attempt to document or record the meetings it held with lawmakers. The administration also did not give any public notice of the meetings, or allow public access as required by law."
"Mills also personally briefed lawmakers in separate meetings based on party affiliation in conference calls in early April."

https://www.newscentermaine.com/art...ement/97-07620787-178e-4dba-83f4-4553f23a88bd

https://www.pressherald.com/2020/04...d-secret-coronavirus-meetings-with-lawmakers/

 

[twomany]

My final comment to you all is this... Do whatever you want to, I don't really care. I'll do what I feel is best for me but again, if you get it don't whine because I cannot hear you.

based on your comment in post #784, You would be the last person I would tell if I contracted the illness.

 

[twomany]

I wonder what the reaction around the world will be if this wuhan flu comes back again next January.....

I know of a cave up in the hills behind the house....

Scary thought

 

[motionclone]

based on your comment in post #784, You would be the last person I would tell if I contracted the illness.

Now I know why he wants to get a drone. Hes going to get one with a thermometer and flamethrower attachment.

 

[motionclone]

Michigan:
And here is CBS News Corp busted in making fake news about Covid 19 using fake patients. Its this type of propaganda thats got people more worked up than they might need to be.

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/james-okeefe-strikes-again-2/

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

this is going no where.

Oh it's going somewhere... and quickly!

 

[D2Cat]

In Calif. if there is only one bathroom in a home with more then one person living there, and one person has Covid-19 the state will remove the person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USXKsiLi5oE

 

[motionclone]

In Calif. if there is only one bathroom in a home with more then one person living there, and one person has Covid-19 the state will remove the person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USXKsiLi5oE

Not surprised one bit. If they actually follow through with this there will be bloodshed. Although California has been training its subjects to comply for quite some time so maybe not.

 

[motionclone]

In Calif. if there is only one bathroom in a home with more then one person living there, and one person has Covid-19 the state will remove the person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USXKsiLi5oE

oh looks like the local government was called out on this and they just mis spoke. everything will be just fine, the government is here to help with their 50 newly hired "contact tracing investigators", carry on.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-ventura-county-coronavirus-forcibly-removed-homes-quarantine

 

[sheepfarmer]

Providing separate housing for a covid positive adult is a kindness. Healthcare workers have been begging for trailers or staying in hotels at their own expense to avoid giving it to their families. Parents often sacrifice themselves for their kids, but not everyone in the house should be exposed. A parent could move out with a kid, and leave the other kids with the other parent.

 

[Lil Foot]

In NY State Cuomo said on April 13th " “If you isolate, if you take the precautions, your family won’t get infected.” But looks like the stay at home order he unilaterally ORDERED hasnt exactly worked out.

Heres the article: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-...hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html
But we are just supposed to listen to these dictators right? Trust what they say, do as we are told.

If these are to be believed, it would say something about high density housing.
Here is Arizona's chart:

 

[motionclone]

If these are to be believed, it would say something about high density housing.
Here is Arizona's chart:

Makes sense, if you can smell your neighbors cooking youre living too close. Maybe people who live in close quarters and are able bodied should be ordered out of home and to work where it may be less crowded?

 

[SidecarFlip]

based on your comment in post #784, You would be the last person I would tell if I contracted the illness.

Hard to use a computer when laying in a bed with a plastic tube in your windpipe and a morphine drip in your IV.....

 

[D2Cat]

Providing separate housing for a covid positive adult is a kindness. Healthcare workers have been begging for trailers or staying in hotels at their own expense to avoid giving it to their families. Parents often sacrifice themselves for their kids, but not everyone in the house should be exposed. A parent could move out with a kid, and leave the other kids with the other parent.

Separating family makes sense to protect the ones not exposed at that time, but when the government says "We will be moving..." indicates we as humans are too stupid to take care of ourselves with what we have.

So a family member gets "moved", where do they go? How does the rest of the family treat the situation? Going to have designated "homes" for the afflicted and then try to keep them isolated from their family until their demise?

Seems like the nursing homes we've read about. Minimum trained/pay workers working with upwards of 28 patients each, sometimes using plastic bags on their hands for protection (which isn't). They call separation a piece of yellow tape across the hallway!

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/12/how-covid-19-exploded-from-the-chaos-within-nursing-homes/

 

[SidecarFlip]

Providing separate housing for a covid positive adult is a kindness. Healthcare workers have been begging for trailers or staying in hotels at their own expense to avoid giving it to their families. Parents often sacrifice themselves for their kids, but not everyone in the house should be exposed. A parent could move out with a kid, and leave the other kids with the other parent.

Exactly what my wife's friend is doing. She's a supervisor in the Covid section at Pro-Medica, Toledo and she's staying in local supplied (by the hospital) housing in Toledo instead of coming home at all and possibly infecting her husband. Kudo's to her, someone with some sense.