Filters question

[Mainah]

North Idaho Wolfman is 100% correct. I’ve been to filter school for 2 major manufacturers and I can tell you that Fram is complete junk; it’s an advertising campaign and it sucks a lot of people in. Cut one open beside almost any other “name brand” filter and you’ll see the difference immediately.
Wix/NAPA, Baldwin, and Donaldson all make quality filters, but they don’t always meet OE specs, and they’ve all had failures. But these companies have paid claims and stand behind their products. I’ve seen the very same thing with OE filters. In many cases an OE filter is patented and can’t be duplicated exactly for some time. And sometimes the aftermarket filter is better. This mostly in oil and air filters, hydraulic not so much. I would always use OE for hydraulic unless it’s an emergency situation.
I intend to always use OE filters on my Kubota, especially hydraulic filters. I would put a NAPA gold oil or air on and feel comfortable with it, and that’s what everything else I run gets, all gas engines. But for the frequency of use and piece of mind I’m sticking with Kubota, no matter who makes them. If I have a filter related issue there’s only one manufacturer to deal with on my end that way.
Beware of those who would spread misinformation, do your own research. Don’t believe me either, do your own research! Some things are not worth trusting to others unless you’re the kind who’s always looking to assign blame. But most people do that very thing with their own health, not wanting to take responsibility, and look at where we’re at...if people don’t care about themselves enough to take responsibility for their own health why should they care about filters?

 

[RCW]

Very early on , I got a Fram Extra Guard oil filter for the Kubota. Also got an OEM.

I literally had one in each hand, comparing them.

The Fram is still on the shelf 5 years later.....


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[D2Cat]

North Idaho Wolfman is 100% correct. I’ve been to filter school for 2 major manufacturers and I can tell you that Fram is complete junk; it’s an advertising campaign and it sucks a lot of people in. Cut one open beside almost any other “name brand” filter and you’ll see the difference immediately.
Wix/NAPA, Baldwin, and Donaldson all make quality filters, but they don’t always meet OE specs, and they’ve all had failures. But these companies have paid claims and stand behind their products. I’ve seen the very same thing with OE filters. In many cases an OE filter is patented and can’t be duplicated exactly for some time. And sometimes the aftermarket filter is better. This mostly in oil and air filters, hydraulic not so much. I would always use OE for hydraulic unless it’s an emergency situation.
I intend to always use OE filters on my Kubota, especially hydraulic filters. I would put a NAPA gold oil or air on and feel comfortable with it, and that’s what everything else I run gets, all gas engines. But for the frequency of use and piece of mind I’m sticking with Kubota, no matter who makes them. If I have a filter related issue there’s only one manufacturer to deal with on my end that way.
Beware of those who would spread misinformation, do your own research. Don’t believe me either, do your own research! Some things are not worth trusting to others unless you’re the kind who’s always looking to assign blame. But most people do that very thing with their own health, not wanting to take responsibility, and look at where we’re at...if people don’t care about themselves enough to take responsibility for their own health why should they care about filters?

The sentence I highlighted is an interesting observation. We all know folks who go on vacation and make sure their horses, dogs, etc are monitored by someone, fed and watered etc. at all cost. The same with their fancy cars. Make sure their polished and never drive in inclement weather.

I have a neighbor who's son lives south of Denver a bit and has a horse. He couldn't find someone to care for it to his specifications a couple of weeks ago. He wanted to come here to visit his folks for Christmas. He loaded the horse up in his trailer and brought him with him!

I can almost guarantee many of these folks don't spend the same amount of time researching oil filters as they do pet food, much less their own food!

We humans are weird!!

 

[Talenel]

Here I thought he was just calling me fat

My wife doesn't let me go anywhere let alone leave our pups with someone lol.

This is part of my research and as I said in my op I am not considering using anything other then Kubota filters for my warranty period (8 years).

 

[majorwager]

Mainah,

Three relavent points you raised:

Because a filter is produced for a OEM, does Not mean a filter manufactured under their own label is equal to or exceeds the OEM spec. Without specific regard for the quality, products are often produced to meet a price point, the OEM spec being secondary.

Slightly off topic, the health reference is relative. Folks become ill despite subscribing to proper standards. However, smoking, ignoring a healty diet, and other careless junk food intake, equating a tractor seat to exercise, can and does hasten the affliction of various illness.

The third is simple. When NIW corrects misinformation, he is benefiting the whole membership and website reputation. It is antagonistic to chastize him for fulfilling his responsibilities.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Small diesels like Hatch for instance.

Sure you'll have a good answer for that.... You usually do.

It's not Hatch, it's Hatz, and yes they make some incredible diesel engines, I have a pair of them here that run rollers!

 

[JohnDB]

Anyone use the Baldwin filters? Seems one company are offering filter kits with Baldwin branded filters for engine oil, hst, and hydraulic.

No I don't use them, but consider this:

- whether the kit contains genuine Baldwin. See http://www.baldwinfilter.com/productsgenuineBaldwin.html.

- whether the kit supplier is choosing the filters Baldwin recommends for your Kubota. Often 3rd party crossover lists indicate nothing more than an equivalent physical fit. For example the engine oil filter for my tractor is supposed to have a relatively high bypass pressure, but most crossover lists give filters as equivalent that have much lower bypass pressure. Chances are there are a number of different Baldwin filters that will fit some compartments on your machine, but is the kit supplier giving you the right ones?

Because Baldwin is a major filter manufacturer, if their own website says one of their filters is recommended for a particular application on your machine, I'd tend to believe it.

 

[CapnDean]

Yes North Idaho Wolfman is a handy resource.... please don't dog him out. He has probably forgotten more than I will ever know about Kubota's.

I think that he should wear that Obi Wan Kubota tag with pride.

 

[lugbolt]

Who makes SUDT (2?) and UDT? what about the engine oil?

It doesn't matter.

It could come from the same factory.

But is it the same stuff?


Filters. Fuel specifically. They're made by another company and to kubota specification. There was a bulletin put out a while back about fuel filters for the common rail tractors. Basically it says that aftermarket "equivalents" do not filter down to the same level as the OE Kubota filters and thus use of aftermarket filters resulting in damage to the rail, injectors, or pump due to dirt may not be covered under warranty. So saying that "it came from the same manufacturer" doesn't necessarily mean that it's the same product, it only means that they share the same roof. Similarly fluids. It might be made by a certain company but we don't know if it's the same stuff. The bucket might say "kubota compatible" but compatible with what spec? Kubota has different specs for different equipment...such as excavators take different fluid than lawn mowers. Or is the fluid compatible with kubota's specification for what kind of bucket they put the fluid in? The consumer will never know because it's ALL marketing tactic that make you buy their product.

People tend to be brand loyal with fluids and filters and that's fine. But you will not go wrong by using OEM, but you can easily go wrong by second guessing OEM.

Magnusson-moss act isn't the grand protector that some people make it out to be.

 

[SidecarFlip]

It's not Hatch, it's Hatz, and yes they make some incredible diesel engines, I have a pair of them here that run rollers!

Hatz or Hatch, don't matter, all are expensive. Good German engineering.

 

[RCW]

People tend to be brand loyal with fluids and filters and that's fine. But you will not go wrong by using OEM, but you can easily go wrong by second guessing OEM.

Lugbolt - you said a mouthful right there, brother...

I'm not adverse to other brands either, but I'm not going to guess if that non-OEM fluid or filter is good enough....

Thus, that FRAM oil filter that still sits on my shelf 5 years later....while it'll fit.....it just didn't look or feel right compared to the OEM in my other hand..

 

[SidecarFlip]

Well, after fanning the flames (like I do), I will say I use 2 'Genuine Kubota filters" always. The 2 hydraulic filters (2 each on both my tractors) and the spin on fuel filters. Only my oil filters are generic and according to my lab results from Blackstone, it's all good, which is good enough for me.

At 1800 hours on the 9 and 1300 on the 105, I'd say my filter choice is fine but then t could be the T6 Shell I always use. Other than the initial fill on both tractors from Kubota, I've never used UDT or SUDT Always use Chevron THF all weather synthetic hydraulic fluid, no problems there either and the FWA axles on both get 85-90 GL5 Spirax

Don't know if Kubota dealers sell grease but I use Lubrication Engineers synthetic, teflon fortified grease. Always have. Very expensive but worth it. No clay based grease here.

 

[RCW]

but I use Lubrication Engineers synthetic, teflon fortified grease. Always have. Very expensive but worth it. No clay based grease here.

Honestly Flip, I try to use "good" grease (I think Lucas Red 'N Tacky now) that I get on sale.

I see many guys here swear by synthetic; we don't have much access to synthetics in our very rural area.

I figure if I apply good grease often, it still works.

Not arguing for/against synthetic...I just can't get a synthetic, and I would try one if I could get one locally ...

 

[SidecarFlip]

Lucas Red and Tacky is about the same as Lubrication Engineers that I use. I just don't use tubes anymore, I use an air greaser with a 150 pound open head drum. Less mess. More initial cost though. 150 pound drum is about a thousand bucks but if you take your tubes and multiply by 150, you are close too. Just buy mine 150 tubes at a time....

Way back when I used clay based grease which is cheap and had frozen grease fittings and the stuff wiped off ground engaging implements too easy. Switched to the synthetic, no more clogged grease fittings and the stuff really hangs in there on implements (and my hands too).

 

[RCW]

Flip -
I understand the bulk purchase.

I grew up filling grease guns from a 5 gallon pail bare-hsnded. Worked for us MANY years ago.
Just learned how the cartridges work last 30 years.

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[Mainah]

Mainah,

Three relavent points you raised:

Because a filter is produced for a OEM, does Not mean a filter manufactured under their own label is equal to or exceeds the OEM spec. Without specific regard for the quality, products are often produced to meet a price point, the OEM spec being secondary.

Slightly off topic, the health reference is relative. Folks become ill despite subscribing to proper standards. However, smoking, ignoring a healty diet, and other careless junk food intake, equating a tractor seat to exercise, can and does hasten the affliction of various illness.

The third is simple. When NIW corrects misinformation, he is benefiting the whole membership and website reputation. It is antagonistic to chastize him for fulfilling his responsibilities.

Most filters made for OEM are patent protected for a period of time, and aftermarket never matches them exactly during that time. I’ve seen better and worse from someone manufacturers, so the only way to know is to research that particular filter. OE engineers do make mistakes also. As I stated, reputable manufacturers will stand behind their product if they make a mistake, and the rest don’t, but they have a heck of a sales pitch. You stray from OE and you take your chances. If you’re gonna do that do your research first. Don’t read things into my comments that are not there, and don’t confuse the issue.

While the health comment may seem off topic I stand by it. Disease is less than 10% hereditary and over 90% poor lifestyle choices. As a 60 year old who was told a decade ago that what I have is progressives fatal and not reversible and then proving them wrong I learned that the hard way. I did what they said was impossible and it taught me just how far off the path we’ve strayed. You ARE what you eat, period. You wouldn’t put water, half gas, half diesel in your tractor and expect it to perform properly or live as long as possible. It’s no different with people. As long as you give someone else the responsibility of determining what you should eat you’ll be a victim like all the rest. Very few have figured it out, but I’m certainly not alone. It takes a lot of research and when you’re sick and desperate some of us don’t give up and find the answers. Again, it all comes down to being responsible for yourself.

Finally, I agree that NIW is doing his due diligence at I’m not chastising him at all. Not sure why you got that impression. Again, you’re making negative assumptions.