Filters question

[Talenel]

Anyone use the Baldwin filters? Seems one company are offering filter kits with Baldwin branded filters for engine oil, hst, and hydraulic.

I'm not considering using anything other than Kubota filters/oil at this point because of the warranty, just wanted a feel for the quality of the filters.

 

[rjcorazza]

Baldwin is on my (very) short list of quality aftermarket filters.
I personally use oem hydraulic filters on my kubotas, but made an uncharacteristic exemption last year that didn’t work out well. I used a no-name hst filter on one of my ZD mowers and it caused immediate operation problems, presumably from fluid starvation or air introduction.


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[Daren Todd]

I use Baldwin filters at work. I've had really good luck with them. So far 14 years and counting

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[SidecarFlip]

The Magnuson-Mognuson Act (or something like that) prohibits OEM manufacturers from mitigating warranty claims arising from the use of aftermarket filters (of any brand), no exceptions.

Having said that I use afrermarket filters for oil filters. Having also said that, I only use Kubota OEM filters on the hydraulic side of both my tractors fr a couple reasons. One, the engineered in flow rate and two, the filter case must withstand the pressure the scavange pump applies to the fluid as t gets filtered. If you look at a Kubota hydraulic oil filter, you'll notice that the case is a heavier gauge and the bulkhead where it attaches is also heavier.

Air intake filters and post filter (the inner smaller filter in the filter housing are also Kubota for the same reason. Far as lube oil filters go, whatever is on sale works. I tend to buy them in quantity anyway. Wix, NAPA, Fram, autolite, whatever. Same goes with my cars and trucks or any engine that has an oil filter and on air filters in my vehicles, again, what is the least expensive, because the 'Act' applies.

Your mileage may vary as does the thickness of your wallet.

 

[85Hokie]

I use Baldwin on both of my B7100's - only reason I have not used on my Bx25 is I bought several OEM filters at one time.

Looking at the cutaways - they seem to be very well made and seem a bit more stout on the outside too.

 

[SDT]

The Magnuson-Mognuson Act (or something like that) prohibits OEM manufacturers from mitigating warranty claims arising from the use of aftermarket filters (of any brand), no exceptions.

Having said that I use afrermarket filters for oil filters. Having also said that, I only use Kubota OEM filters on the hydraulic side of both my tractors fr a couple reasons. One, the engineered in flow rate and two, the filter case must withstand the pressure the scavange pump applies to the fluid as t gets filtered. If you look at a Kubota hydraulic oil filter, you'll notice that the case is a heavier gauge and the bulkhead where it attaches is also heavier.

Air intake filters and post filter (the inner smaller filter in the filter housing are also Kubota for the same reason. Far as lube oil filters go, whatever is on sale works. I tend to buy them in quantity anyway. Wix, NAPA, Fram, autolite, whatever. Same goes with my cars and trucks or any engine that has an oil filter and on air filters in my vehicles, again, what is the least expensive, because the 'Act' applies.

Your mileage may vary as does the thickness of your wallet.

I think that you will find that that is not the case.

Replacement parts, filters or otherwise, must meet manufactures specifications.

 

[majorwager]

SDT
Respect your opinion as a professional. The correction much appreciated.

Filters may not offer the best opportunity to conserve maintenance costs, personal opinion..

I have a very aggressive Baldwin wholesaler locally, however I find their fluid filters restrictive. Is it possible to pack too much media in a filter housing ?

With specific reference to kubota, suggest OEM for fluid filters. Many members are servicing two or fewer tractors, savings is minimal over time.

Not certain how many OEM's produce their own filters? However the manufacturer must produce them to OEM
specifications. The same filter manufacturer might NOT produce their own labeled filters to those standards required of a specific OEM.

 

[bucktail]

I've sectioned Baldwin, Fram Delco and Hastings. Fram has about half of the pleats that the others do. The rest of them looked good. I generally use OEM, Napa Gold, or Baldwin. I've been known to be frugal, but oil filters are something I'm not willing to go cheap on. Most of my stuff isn't covered by warranty anymore. (see the line about being frugal)

 

[dlundblad]

Was this on eBay?

If so, they have a kit for my G5200. In the photos, the filters looked generic so beware.

Rock Auto has good prices on WIX stuff FYI. WIXs site has an awesome filter lookup too.

(PS, not a fan of the below tank fuel filters for my application since they are too big. I use Kubota for that. Obviously, your mileage may vary.)

 

[Orange1forme]

There are a couple youtube videos on filters.
People have cut them open and shown the inner "parts". Some are very disappointing.

May be something you want to look into.

 

[SidecarFlip]

I think that you will find that that is not the case.

Replacement parts, filters or otherwise, must meet manufactures specifications.

Probably one, should have said your mileage will vary and 2, go read the act, it's online. So long as the filter (any filter) meets or exceeds OEM standards it's good to go. Cases have been adjudicated hundreds f times and the results are always the same.

Of course back when, oil filters were made from gauze and stuffed in a cartridge that you removed and took the gauze out of and most lawnmower engines don't even have a filter in the first place.... explain that.

Don't matter to me, my 65 grand tractors do fine on non oem oil filters and have for the last 10 years of farm work. I work them a heck of a lot harder than any compact tractor gets worked. Like Isaid in my first comment, I use Kubota branded filters in the air cleaner and on the hydraulic side, but not oil filters.

Finally, wonder who makes Kubota Filters, I know they don't so who does????

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

The Magnuson-Mognuson Act (or something like that) prohibits OEM manufacturers from mitigating warranty claims arising from the use of aftermarket filters (of any brand), no exceptions.

This very misleading statement!

#1 It's the Magnuson-moss act

#2 Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty. This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives.

#3 The federal minimum standards for full warranties are waived if the warrantor can show that the problem associated with a warranted consumer product was caused by damage while in the possession of the consumer, or by unreasonable use, including a failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Finally, wonder who makes Kubota Filters, I know they don't so who does????

It doesn't really matter who makes them, it only matters that they are made to kubotsa specs, and in messick's video, they have proved time and time again that aftermarket filters do not match OEM standards.

Is this a reason that Kubota would not fulfill a warranty claim, probably not.
But it does leave room for argument if it did end up in court.

 

[majorwager]

The critical language, Meets or Exceeds OEM standards and requirements was Erroneously omitted from post #4. (Credit due to SDT)

As a humorous aside, there exists a "Magnuson Act" AKA, The Chinese exclusion repeal act of 1943" . Which simply was immigration legislation.

Without the "Moss" attachment furnished by NIW, folks may be hard pressed to find warranty language intertwined in a Chinese Immigration Quota Federal Statute. Of course, as always, YMMV.

 

[rjcorazza]

This very misleading statement!



#1 It's the Magnuson-moss act



#2 Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty. This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives.



#3 The federal minimum standards for full warranties are waived if the warrantor can show that the problem associated with a warranted consumer product was caused by damage while in the possession of the consumer, or by unreasonable use, including a failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance.

Correct. As it was explained to me years ago:
If an aftermarket part (engine oil filter in this example) is determined to be the cause of failure then the warranty can be denied. The manufacturer MAY require the use of oem replacement or maintenance products for warranty coverage, however, they must provide these parts at no cost to the consumer.


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[RCW]

As majorwager mentioned- I’m servicing 1 BX tractor, and I drive by a dealership to/from work.

I use Kubota filters. Probably costs me an extra $3 per year; maybe $15 if ALL filters get changed that year...

But again, OEM are easy for me to get locally and I have 1 tractor. If they weren’t nearby or I had more tractors, I might look for another brand. But early on I decided OEM would avoid warranty issues.

I went to Rotella T6 early on, but I was pretty confident with that. Nothing but SUDT2.... holy smokes, wasn’t looking to start a fluid debate...![emoji15]


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[SidecarFlip]

It doesn't really matter who makes them, it only matters that they are made to kubotsa specs, and in messick's video, they have proved time and time again that aftermarket filters do not match OEM standards.

Is this a reason that Kubota would not fulfill a warranty claim, probably not.
But it does leave room for argument if it did end up in court.

You use yours and I'll continue to use mine. Fair enough? My units have been out of warranty for years anyway, not that I ever had a warranty issue, except the front spool valve in the front cover on the 9 which was covered by Kubota and the oil filter was not a Kubota filter btw. Not that it mattered because t was a machining defect.

Of course the question is still unanswered about how most small engines don't have oil filters at all and still survive for years and years and that includes small diesels like Hatch for instance.

Sure you'll have a good answer for that.... You usually do.

Far as who makes them, it certainly does matter because if say Baldwin makes them, then go buy Baldwin if they are less expensive. Kubota don't make them so, who does? We all know who makes SUDT and UDT, why not the filters too. I suspect Donaldson makes Kubota air filters bit who knows. Do you? Obe wan Kubota....

 

[Talenel]

Who makes SUDT (2?) and UDT? what about the engine oil?

Good debate fellows carry on.

 

[Fordtech86]

I can’t speak from the kubota side of this l, but I deal with ford and Mazda everyday. Not that engine failures are often but when they do happen under warranty the filter is usually the least of their worries. The manufactures want proof of maintence period (ex: oil change records regardless where they are done) and pictures of the engine,top end especially, to see any sludge build up due to lack of maintenance. In my side of the business I’ve never seen the manufacturer deny the warranty because of the filter as long as the owner can provide maintenece records and the engine isn’t sludged up.

 

[dlundblad]

Who makes SUDT (2?) and UDT? what about the engine oil?

Good debate fellows carry on.

Ashland. They used to own Valvoline, but a quick google makes me not so sure.