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B2400, lA352 loader,3pth quick hitch/z122r zero turn/restored 52 farmall super a
I had the engine running on higher RPM with a knockRefresh our memories. What happened when the block broke? What came apart?
Yes I understand. So far, I do not see any other damage to the block. Any parts that were damaged could be replaced. I am hoping there is no other block damage beside the hole. I spent 20 minutes turning the crankshaft manually, watched all the gears spin, watched the 2 pistons go up and down perfectly.With catastrophic block damage and there is going to be more internal damage. Cylinder walls etc.
You're most likely going to be getting in deeper than with the other block.
Since I need to change the main bearings anyway, the block will come off the tractor, then it can be taken wherever and any process yall tell me to do can be doneBlock has to be heated, do you have an oven?
Has to be stick welded with nickel rod. Do you have these resources?
Yes I am paying attention, some kind of electrical welding and nickel rods
yes I am with you and this process will most likely be the solutionI believe that I have found the solution to welding this block to repair it, that is assuming that he has the broken piece to put back into the hole. I am not a welder, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night, so I am confident that I could weld the block using the Muggy Weld sticks. Check it out... https://www.youtube.com/@BrandonLund
Zero chance, they are perfect. The engine only had 500 hours. It is practically new. It must of sat for a decade or 2 since those bearings seized and caused the knock and then the catastrophic damage.judging from the piston skirts you're putting sleeves in that one too
I know I may be fully incorrect, and I have not searched or looked into it. But, I want to research to see if I can weld the patch onto the block using the ace-oxy torch Where I would use nickel like it is being suggested and bonding the patch to the block reliably and permanently. I have not done any research yet, and I could be fully incorrect, and might have to do the method that dusty is showing in the youtube clip. Regardless, the block will be mobile and any procedure can be done to it.And what does torch have to do with welding the block?
Your comment is right on the money, your concentration is fine, you are keeping up better than myselfBUT I would comment that if Joe’s solution is less reliable service, and a perfect repair would work for 4000 hours, but Joe’s just 1000. At 100 hours per year that would still be ten years...
It seems likely that Joe's final "fix" may actually be very... "raw"!This thread has exceeded my ability to maintain concentration.
BUT I would comment that if Joe’s solution is less reliable service, and a perfect repair would work for 4000 hours, but Joe’s just 1000. At 100 hours per year that would still be ten years...
I used to be an idealist in my younger years…not any more though...
Just my take on it.
So I say: Yea, Go Joe, Go Joe, raw raw raw...![]()
You must admit Joe has the unparalleled ability to lead people along paths of adversity and hopeless outlook. If I weren't afraid Wolf would give me a "vacation" I'd suggest a career where Joe could immensely serve fellow citizens and restore hope.This thread has exceeded my ability to maintain concentration.
BUT I would comment that if Joe’s solution is less reliable service, and a perfect repair would work for 4000 hours, but Joe’s just 1000. At 100 hours per year that would still be ten years...
I used to be an idealist in my younger years…not any more though...
Just my take on it.
So I say: Yea, Go Joe, Go Joe, raw raw raw...![]()
I am grateful when you respond and always get excited to read your takeIt looks like the hole is simply an exterior wall of the block and is simply there to contain the oil inside the crankcase and dirt out of the crankcase.
There are three methods of joining metal using heat: soldering, brazing and welding. Soldering is lowest temperature, brazing is hotter and similar to soldering, then welding is the hottest.
Welding actually melts the parent material and the added filler material. They fuse together into a solid piece of metal. But due to the heat and cool cycle there is a lot of stress left in the weld area. Welding can be done with electricity or flame (acetylene and oxygen)
You do not really need the strength of a full weld in that area (assuming it is a simple hole ).
Brazing simply heats the materials with flame. The filler rod will melt before the parent material. The filler material acts like a glue and bonds the parts together.
I would recommend using a professional welding shop to repair the block since they have experience in both welding and brazing. But since it is not that critical you could learn how to braze and get the parts brazed together and then put a glued patch over the exterior to make it less likely to leak.
Heck I imagine that a good epoxy glue would work but I think I would use something like a small screw and piece of steel to hold the piece from falling down into the block.
Update: Dropped off the block 10 days ago at the machine shop, they still have not touched it
I drove 1 hour away from the city in hope of getting a machine shop that has time for me, nope
Now: I need to drive 2 hours to go get the untouched block, what a waste
Please yall talk to me about this:
What would it take for me to DIY this properly?
I do remember wolfman leaving a link for a DIY honing kit but he said it would be best to have machine shop do it perfectly
How about those huge standing drill presses, where I put the block stationary, then come down with the proper 82 mm boring bit attached to it, and it perfectly grinds away at the liner?
That is the machine that they had at their shop, I will try to remember to take a picture of it when I get there
I feel like our money is so worthless, that no matter what I pay, I cannot get anyone to do anything for me since there is no point on their end
How many minutes of labor is it to hone 2 liners if you have the machine?
I was fixing to pay $200 for what I think is 1/2 hour of labor, that is $400/hour, how is that not enough?
Just let me know what it will take to DIY this properly
One machine shop suggested go to harbor freight and they might have the machine/tool
Good machine shops aren’t cheap nor fast. They normally have lots of work that takes lots of set up time. Your so called half hour probably realistically takes an hour of clean up 1/2 hour set up and 3/4 hour to do the job between phone calls an interruptions. Than 1/2 hour to clean up and move around. 15-20 mins to write bill. Another 20-25 mins to explain what they did to customers.. Its not that easy if you have 20-50 pieces to work on. If your not patient they have no problem sending you down the road. Plenty more one time customers when they are doing bread and butter work like flywheel resurfacing, brake rotors, struts,valve jobs, checking heads for cracks. We just have to be patient when we dont have the skills or equipment.Update: Dropped off the block 10 days ago at the machine shop, they still have not touched it
I drove 1 hour away from the city in hope of getting a machine shop that has time for me, nope
Now: I need to drive 2 hours to go get the untouched block, what a waste
Please yall talk to me about this:
What would it take for me to DIY this properly?
I do remember wolfman leaving a link for a DIY honing kit but he said it would be best to have machine shop do it perfectly
How about those huge standing drill presses, where I put the block stationary, then come down with the proper 82 mm boring bit attached to it, and it perfectly grinds away at the liner?
That is the machine that they had at their shop, I will try to remember to take a picture of it when I get there
I feel like our money is so worthless, that no matter what I pay, I cannot get anyone to do anything for me since there is no point on their end
How many minutes of labor is it to hone 2 liners if you have the machine?
I was fixing to pay $200 for what I think is 1/2 hour of labor, that is $400/hour, how is that not enough?
Just let me know what it will take to DIY this properly
One machine shop suggested go to harbor freight and they might have the machine/tool
Yeah I'm as patient as anyone but there comes a time when patience runs out. Shops in this immediate area (the well-known ones), I've done business with them. #1 is about 120 miles from here, friends of ours, good folks. Also racers. Left them a rotating assembly to balance in 2013 August. No rush but I do need it. 2 YEARS later, I get a call that the grinding rock exploded while 'turning my crank' (why they were grinding it is beyond me, it was a brand new crankshaft) and damaged it. Said "you might wanna come look at it". Ok drove 120 miles, to find out that damage was done prior to this ordeal. You'd think that they'd get me a new crank. NOPE. I carried it and the rest of my parts away and never returned. #2, is about 15 minutes from here, well known circle track engine guy. Also years wait time if it's not a small block chevy of some sort.Good machine shops aren’t cheap nor fast. They normally have lots of work that takes lots of set up time. Your so called half hour probably realistically takes an hour of clean up 1/2 hour set up and 3/4 hour to do the job between phone calls an interruptions. Than 1/2 hour to clean up and move around. 15-20 mins to write bill. Another 20-25 mins to explain what they did to customers.. Its not that easy if you have 20-50 pieces to work on. If your not patient they have no problem sending you down the road. Plenty more one time customers when they are doing bread and butter work like flywheel resurfacing, brake rotors, struts,valve jobs, checking heads for cracks. We just have to be patient when we dont have the skills or equipment.
I have race blocks sitting at machine shop getting ready for 2025 season.![]()
Wow you have a lot of miles between shops.Yeah I'm as patient as anyone but there comes a time when patience runs out. Shops in this immediate area (the well-known ones), I've done business with them. #1 is about 120 miles from here, friends of ours, good folks. Also racers. Left them a rotating assembly to balance in 2013 August. No rush but I do need it. 2 YEARS later, I get a call that the grinding rock exploded while 'turning my crank' (why they were grinding it is beyond me, it was a brand new crankshaft) and damaged it. Said "you might wanna come look at it". Ok drove 120 miles, to find out that damage was done prior to this ordeal. You'd think that they'd get me a new crank. NOPE. I carried it and the rest of my parts away and never returned. #2, is about 15 minutes from here, well known circle track engine guy. Also years wait time if it's not a small block chevy of some sort.
Found a place about 110 mi the other way. Well known shop, or was at one time-and still a well-known name but under different ownership now. Dropped a Dart SHP block off for some work, they called me 2 1/2 hours later said "done". Well crud, I can't get there today I'll be there next weekend. No problem. Works was top notch. Expensive but worth it. Had them do a crankshaft (winberg 4.100 custom crank) balance, along with rods and pistons for the same engine. THe crank guy is top notch as well; did thing that I didn't really need but they saw room for improvement so they did it anyway. 3 slugs of Mallory and some cleanup, all done. Engine runs beautifully. I had it started earlier actually. Point is, just because they're slow as Christmas doesn't necessarily mean they're good and just because they're fast doesn't necessarily mean that their work sucks either. A CNC machining center can knock out a block in 2 hours depending on what needs to be done, so they can do a bunch of blocks in a weeks' time.
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If you note Joe's "floor", he does not need to use Oil-Dri.I bet ol joe doesn't go through as much Oil-Dri during the entire episode as Runs-w-scissors go's through each day while devising projects he can finish with one arm before his wife catches him in the act![]()