Why does OTT hate Safari?

[Steve67]

Have the same problems lately on my iPad.

 

[Russell King]

Was using my iPad sideways and noticed that it had improved performance on this website.
Can anyone else see if you have any improvement on your part by using your device in landscape mode?

 

[mikester]

You could try to upgrade your iOS to 15.0, its out now. I also use Safari on iPad and have never had any issues. It is probably some setting or weird file that has gone bonkers on your phone.

After upgrading to ipadOS 15.0.1 and now 15.0.2 it is now impossible to manually highlight and edit text. It will select one word no problem, but as soon as I try to extend the text selection the page rapid scrolls to the top.

POS crApple software strikes again.

I don't know why anyone would want to buy an "Apple Car". Every time they released a software update cars would stop working. People would just walk away and buy a new one.

If your Apple car battery dies you have to buy a new car because the battery is glued into the chassis. Chipped your windshield? Buy a new car. Highway department repainted lines on the road? You need to buy a new car.

 

[NCL4701]

Was using my iPad sideways and noticed that it had improved performance on this website.
Can anyone else see if you have any improvement on your part by using your device in landscape mode?

I just tried that. Typed an unduly lengthy response to another thread mostly to test it as it seems to be worse for me when posting. Twenty minutes in, it refreshed and wiped out 90% of the response. So, yes it was an improvement but it wasn’t a fix.

 

[Papadiver]

I have this problem only with Facebook marketplace. And only with my iPad. This website works fine. I have never had the problem with the iPhone. Both have the latest operating system.

 

[Jchonline]

After upgrading to ipadOS 15.0.1 and now 15.0.2 it is now impossible to manually highlight and edit text. It will select one word no problem, but as soon as I try to extend the text selection the page rapid scrolls to the top.

POS crApple software strikes again.

I don't know why anyone would want to buy an "Apple Car". Every time they released a software update cars would stop working. People would just walk away and buy a new one.

If your Apple car battery dies you have to buy a new car because the battery is glued into the chassis. Chipped your windshield? Buy a new car. Highway department repainted lines on the road? You need to buy a new car.

Yes thats funny stuff lol. I would never buy an Apple car living in the mountains…or a Tesla for that matter. MAYBE a Ford Lightning in 25 years if I’m not dead and my Super Duty doesn’t outlive me.

 

[Russell King]

I just tried that. Typed an unduly lengthy response to another thread mostly to test it as it seems to be worse for me when posting. Twenty minutes in, it refreshed and wiped out 90% of the response. So, yes it was an improvement but it wasn’t a fix.

Thanks for the experiment.

I have noticed that if you refresh after the website reloads, most of your post will reappear.

I also have a lot of trouble with the backspace key - push it once and it may go back a very long way (several words)

 

[torch]

I'm having a similar problem with one computer at work running Win10 and Firefox. This site randomly crashes, producing an error message that the tab has crashed, losing any reply in progress. Restoring the tab does not recover the text, but reloading the recovered tab gets most of it back. I suspect it has something to do with the ads.

 

[Russell King]

I have noticed an improvement in performance on this website in the last few days? Not wiping out replies as much.

Keep improving though it is not 100% still on iPad.

If tapatalk or similar could be used, I would enjoy using that again.

 

[jyoutz]

You could try to upgrade your iOS to 15.0, its out now. I also use Safari on iPad and have never had any issues. It is probably some setting or weird file that has gone bonkers on your phone.

I did the upgrade but the problem continues.

 

[Russell King]

i got a brand new IPad and Safari 16.1.1

ran great on this site for a few days then started seeing some of the same issues popping up

downloaded a new browser (duck duck go) tonight and seems better

still noticed that typing a post has shown some issues with what is typed is not what shown in the post but overall doing much better.

 

[jyoutz]

I’m running OS 16.11 on my iPhone 12. I’ve noticed this problem again in the past few weeks after being fine for the past year.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

re: torch, win10 firefox, crash

I also run Win10, Firefox, have AB+ running to 'hide the ads'. NO problems...
..except someone HACKED my name here,posted in the firestarters thread

 

[RCW]

re: torch, win10 firefox, crash

I also run Win10, Firefox, have AB+ running to 'hide the ads'. NO problems...
..except someone HACKED my name here,posted in the firestarters thread

Jay - - for starters, I'd change your password here on OTT. I'm not tech guy, just remember someone recommending that before.

 

[TheOldHokie]

I’m running OS 16.11 on my iPhone 12. I’ve noticed this problem again in the past few weeks after being fine for the past year.

Its not just IOS or Safari. My Android phone with Chrome has similar issues as does my Windows desktop with Chrome. I dont think its browser and/or OS related although it may be worse with some. It looks more like a combination of variables interacting:

1. Random pop up ad events hitting the client
2. Variations in server and client network latency
3. Fluctuating compute loads on both client and server ends.
4. Client side code trying to cache and sync user input to the server in real time as well as dynamic page management. I.e. probably using client side timers/counters to trigger push events. It may be an AJAX application.

It appears to be a complicated architecture that relies on a lot of different elements playing nice with each other and that's why it gets better when the stars align and worse when they collide. I don't have any hard basis for that analysis. Just my perception based on years of writing network applications and chasing crazy network/software problems.

Dan

 

[Benhameen]

My iPhone refreshes often as well. I think it did it 5x while trying to reply to a post last week. Loosing all of my text each time. Quite annoying.

 

[TheOldHokie]

My iPhone refreshes often as well. I think it did it 5x while trying to reply to a post last week. Loosing all of my text each time. Quite annoying.

I did a little poking with the developer tools in Chrome. I have been retired too long to claim any expertise in modern page design or the use of the developer tools but it certainly appears to be doing AJAX requests rather than old school page refresh. I was also seeing LONG delays in server response. I don't know if that was my desktop, my ISP, the OTT server, their network, or a combination. But way too long.....

Dan

 

[TheOldHokie]

I did a little poking with the developer tools in Chrome. I have been retired too long to claim any expertise in modern page design or the use of the developer tools but it certainly appears to be doing AJAX requests rather than old school page refresh. I was also seeing LONG delays in server response. I don't know if that was my desktop, my ISP, the OTT server, their network, or a combination. But way too long.....

Dan

Well it was an educational afternoon. I spent a bit of time learning about AJAX, how to use the developer tools in Chrome, and poking a few websites.

Findings:

1. Monitoring network traffic using the AJAX request filter in the Chrome developers tools revealed OTT is an extraordinarily network intensive website that issues AJAX calls out the wazoo. A totally idle page keeps the network XHR request log scrolling almost non-stop. The traffic appears to be largely ad related.
2. The OTT servers seem to experience periods of slow response. The AJAX calls can hang for extended periods of time - request completion times in seconds as opposed to milliseconds are common.
3. Network load is easily an order of magnitude greater than the other forums and commercial business sites I tested against and it shows in poor page responsiveness.

Like I said I am not real current on this stuff so take that with a grain of salt.

Dan

 

[NCL4701]

I’d take that with a grain of salt if I really understood it but I got about 60% of it and then my brain timed out. I know it worked fine on Brave for a while and, for reasons I forget, I switched to Duck Duck Go where it also works.

Recently started having refresh issues similar to Safari with Duck Duck Go and noticed the Duck Duck Go protections somehow got turned off. Turned them back on and the refresh problems disappeared because I don’t know why.

 

[TheOldHokie]

I’d take that with a grain of salt if I really understood it but I got about 60% of it and then my brain timed out. I know it worked fine on Brave for a while and, for reasons I forget, I switched to Duck Duck Go where it also works.

Recently started having refresh issues similar to Safari with Duck Duck Go and noticed the Duck Duck Go protections somehow got turned off. Turned them back on and the refresh problems disappeared because I don’t know why.

In a nutshell I was monitoring network activity. OTT is using a modern dynamic page architecture where the pages are updated in pieces rather than by complete reload. As a consequence every OTT page issues a constant stream of network calls to the OTT servers. That is not typical of BB software or websites in general and puts a lot of strain on the servers and network connections. If the OTT server gets overloaded and cant keep up with the requests or the network slows down the pages stop working. I think that is why things work for a while and then go off into the weeds only to come back as the client/server/network recovers. That can mean repopulating page content to get back in synch with the server. It does not look like a browser or OS problem - its a problem with netwok bandwidth and server/client compute power.

The only sites I could find that showed that level of network activity were places like Amazon. CNN, Fox News, etc. All really big sites with lots of targeted advertising and massive amounts of server and network resources available to handle the load. My phone does not like them either.

Dan