Because they are made in low volume.I just don't see why it costs so much for a blown plastic container, a small PTO driven pump, a cheap steel frame and boom, and some hoses and nozzles. I've had a FIMCO 55 gallon sprayer with a 10ft boom for around 10 years and would like something bigger to run behind the M6060. This 200 gallon model with a 20ft boom is $3,500 and there are much more expensive models out there.
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This Ag Spray 165 gallon sprayer with a 28ft boom has a sale price of $6,800! It looks like a good sprayer but the cost is nuts. It seems to me that 3-point PTO driven sprayers provide a huge profit margin for the manufacturer but I could be wrong about that.
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Why are 3-point PTO driven sprayers so expensive?
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Have you looked into changing the spray nozzle tips to a different type? For instance, TeeJet has data charts on all their nozzles regarding spray pattern, gpm output at certain pressures, etc. You may need to modify your boom by changing the number of nozzles to get the same coverage with much less water gpm output. Or build a separate boom with that nozzle design.I just don't see why it costs so much for a blown plastic container, a small PTO driven pump, a cheap steel frame and boom, and some hoses and nozzles. I've had a FIMCO 55 gallon sprayer with a 10ft boom for around 10 years and would like something bigger to run behind the M6060. This 200 gallon model with a 20ft boom is $3,500 and there are much more expensive models out there.
FIMCO 200 Gallon 3 Point with 1225FX4 Boom and Spray Wand
The FIMCO 200 Gallon 3 Point with 1225FX Boom and Spray Wand is Category 1, 2 and 3 hitch compatible and designed to work with small to mid-size and l...
This Ag Spray 165 gallon sprayer with a 28ft boom has a sale price of $6,800! It looks like a good sprayer but the cost is nuts. It seems to me that 3-point PTO driven sprayers provide a huge profit margin for the manufacturer but I could be wrong about that.
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A 165 gallon 3-Point, PTO-powered sprayer with 28 ft of precision fertilizing and weed control and a 17 nozzle boom for food plots and row crops.
It looks like you'd need a nozzle/spacing combo that would put out about 4.5 gallons per acre at the speed you'd like to drive. Finding the right size/type of nozzle tip and spacing to do that should b possible using those charts.... and either regulating the pressure or using a bypass valve on the tank.
But it’s a tradeoff in that the less gpm output for your needs (less speed, less water, same coverage) could likely be met with a much finer droplet size or even a mist for the same amount of coverage. Then you would have to start worrying about temperature inversion spray drift, any wind above dead calm conditions, etc. You have to design for a happy compromise using speed/nozzles/pressure to fit your needs & conditions.
When we were raising 3 acres of sweet corn to sell, I had 3 booms made up with different nozzles/tips/spacings. One for lawn care, one for full coverage herbicide in the sweetcorn patch, and one for 8” band spraying the individual corn rows with some very expensive herbicide that would kill the grass in the sweetcorn rows.
Because the terrain is very hilly and very bumpy with boulders sticking out the ground in places (marked with t-posts mostly). I've cut my field many times and I can assure you that 2.5mph is about as fast as I can move over that ground. Heck, even my friends place on the river that I cut a few times in the summer months is bumpy enough that 4mph is about as fast as I can comfortably go.
If I were spraying a large manicured lawn, or a golf course I could move a lot faster but that simply isn't the case.
I started this thread to ask why sprayers cost so much given how simple they are and how few "cheap" parts go into them, but your post is very interesting and I appreciate the thought that went into it. I'm assuming your comment about output rate is based on the objective of only filling up a 55 gallon tank once to spray 12 acres, hence 4.5 gallons of water per acre. Other variables come into play though, and I don't think that choosing flow rates and volumes based on the size of a small tank is the way to go.
I'm starting out with what I know:
- Ground speed is between 1.5mph to 2.5mph (M6060 is the better tractor to use given the property) so I'll assume 2mph average
- Current boom width is 10ft
- Sprayer output from seven nozzles @25psi is 0.93 GPM (droplet size is a function of pressure)
- Assuming a square acre it takes 21 passes for complete coverage with a 10ft boom
- 4,356 linear feet at 2mph takes 24.8 minutes/acre (not including time to turn at end of each pass)
- 0.93 GPM for 24.8 minutes is 23.06 gallons of water per acre
- A 55 gallon tank would need to be filled up five times to complete 12 acres
- Total spraying time would be around 5 hours but figuring in turns, filling the tank, etc., 7 hours might be a reasonable estimate of the time.
I downloaded some TeeJet information and it looks like my sprayer might have nozzles similar to the AIR INDUCTION XR FLAT SPRAY AIXR110015 nozzles given the output I measured at 25psi.
Talking of spraying, are any members adding surfactant and/or dye in the tank?
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Yes and now you are adding a tank agitator to your needs.
Dan
PS> Different nozzles give different flows and patterns at any given pressure.
@bird dogger, I am going to investigate the idea of making a wider boom. My current FIMCO sprayer has a Delevan 6900C 6-roller pump with more than enough GPM to run a wider boom with more nozzles given the ~9GPM capacity at 25psi or so.
I see a FIMCO system similar to mine on CraigsList and perhaps there's a way to add two 55 gallon tanks in parallel to increase capacity. I have time to figure this out and there's always handing over $4k for a turnkey solution.
I see a FIMCO system similar to mine on CraigsList and perhaps there's a way to add two 55 gallon tanks in parallel to increase capacity. I have time to figure this out and there's always handing over $4k for a turnkey solution.
Is an agitator needed when so much fluid is being bypassed back to the tank? My post above shows the capacity of the 6-roller pump and it's moving way more liquid than is coming out of the nozzles.
You can try but agitators work better. If your mix separates you wont like the results.
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same on this end..... people be thinking about spraying but at -30 +/- tonight we too have time to figure stuff out.@bird dogger, I am going to investigate the idea of making a wider boom. My current
I see a FIMCO system similar to mine on CraigsList and perhaps there's a way to add two 55 gallon tanks in parallel to increase capacity. I have time to figure this out and there's always handing over $4k for a turnkey solution.
suspendable solids like some dye material settle out the quickest after only hour or two sometims so agitation for large tanks almost a must.
Milestone stays mixed very well and doesn't settle fast at all.
so much will depend on what is going in your tank and at what temp. you be operating in.
sounds like your tank mix doesn't spend much time sitting. Sounds like you get to using it quickly so agitation may not be of big concern. You are kinda in the ideal situation and with your rough land you spray the sloshing in the tank and the small / quick use may well be enough.
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You should invest in a weed detecting and spraying drone system. Here is a home brew system that can refill and change out batteries by itself. This guy seems to be somewhat of a “mad scientist” and has a lot of interesting ideas on his channel. By ident and spraying only the weeds you want to kill, you can save a lot of product. The cost of the cameras and controls may outweigh the savings though for the casual user.
I had made a spraying spread sheet a couple of years ago in preparation to do a spraying job but then was informed by someone on this forum that I might need a license to do that. Yep! It's a big deal in Montana to spray Milestone or Roundup without a license, even if not charging for the service so that job never happened.
Anyway, I updated the spreadsheet this morning and it gives me an easy way to get some idea of the the practical differences between a 55 gallon tank with a 10ft boom (7 nozzles) vs. a 200 gallon tank with a 20ft boom (12 nozzles). I can enter values in the green cells and the table updates. If I were to make a 20 ft, 12 nozzle boom to run with the 55 gallon tank, I would need to fill up the tank four times vs. five times but it would cut the spraying time in half of course.
I can't imagine it would cost much to make a 20 ft boom, but I'd need to add valving to provide control of the three sections of the boom. This would be the most economical solution and would cost a lot less than buying a whole new system with a 20ft boom.
This thread has been helpful for sure.
Anyway, I updated the spreadsheet this morning and it gives me an easy way to get some idea of the the practical differences between a 55 gallon tank with a 10ft boom (7 nozzles) vs. a 200 gallon tank with a 20ft boom (12 nozzles). I can enter values in the green cells and the table updates. If I were to make a 20 ft, 12 nozzle boom to run with the 55 gallon tank, I would need to fill up the tank four times vs. five times but it would cut the spraying time in half of course.
I can't imagine it would cost much to make a 20 ft boom, but I'd need to add valving to provide control of the three sections of the boom. This would be the most economical solution and would cost a lot less than buying a whole new system with a 20ft boom.
This thread has been helpful for sure.
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I don't know anything about boomless sprayers .... other than they don't have a boom ... and they're cheaper.
I don't know anything about boomless sprayers .... other than they don't have a boom.
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@TheOldHokie, thanks for the links to boomless sprayers, but after doing some reading I still think a boom is the way to go for me. However, an additional boomless nozzle at the end of each boom would be a very useful upgrade for the steep hillsides I have to deal with.
@TheOldHokie, I wonder if I could convert my 55 gallon FIMCO with 10ft boom to a boomless sprayer to run on the MX6000, and then invest in the 200 gallon FIMCO with 20ft boom for the M6060 so that I can spray for knapweed early spring and late fall. It would be good to have both systems perhaps. I do have a lot of very steep areas where a boom won't help, and some narrow areas too. I'll be looking into the conversion idea this week.
Supposedly early spring is the best time to spray as the knapweed plant starts to produce green leaves, but before flowers emerge. I need to get on this ASAP I think.
Supposedly early spring is the best time to spray as the knapweed plant starts to produce green leaves, but before flowers emerge. I need to get on this ASAP I think.