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[Flintknapper]

Original engine? Synthetic motor oil? That's a lot of miles!

Complete drive-train, engine, trans, transfer case, axles, etc...all original. Even the u-joints in the driveshafts.

It is a considerable amount of miles...but not unusual for these to go 400K- even 500K before needing a rebuild.

 

[GeoHorn]

When I was a rookie my partner pointed out to me that when approaching a subject vehicle with a NRA sticker on the rear window to be prepared to 1- Fight if it was a traffic-stop, or 2-To document weapons-theft if it was an abandoned vehicle.

I advised my friends to never have a NRA sticker or a pro-gun bumper-sticker on their cars.

 

[Flintknapper]

When I was a rookie my partner pointed out to me that when approaching a subject vehicle with a NRA sticker on the rear window to be prepared to 1- Fight if it was a traffic-stop, or 2-To document weapons-theft if it was an abandoned vehicle.

I advised my friends to never have a NRA sticker or a pro-gun bumper-sticker on their cars.

^^^^^

A presumptive and onerous view of a potential NRA member/driver.

What else did your partner warn against? Ethnicity, Political stickers, the way the person looks, vehicle type or condition.

 

[GeoHorn]

^^^^^

A presumptive and onerous view of a potential NRA member/driver.

What else did your partner warn against? Ethnicity, Political stickers, the way the person looks, vehicle type or condition.

Well…it turned out to be fairly accurate.
Before LTCs became common, an NRA or pro-gun sticker was pretty much an advertisement the absent owner had a gun stored in the vehicle …. making it a theft-target.

 

[NCL4701]

Well, this thread took a weird rabbit trail off spark plug boot pliers… (and my previous ignorance of them).

 

[Flintknapper]

Well…it turned out to be fairly accurate.
Before LTCs became common, an NRA or pro-gun sticker was pretty much an advertisement the absent owner had a gun stored in the vehicle …. making it a theft-target.

Well…it turned out to be fairly accurate.
Before LTCs became common, an NRA or pro-gun sticker was pretty much an advertisement the absent owner had a gun stored in the vehicle …. making it a theft-target.

So you are saying the display of an NRA sticker was an indicator that you might have to 'fight' the driver. And that an unattended vehicle likely had a firearm in it?

I don't know the time line you are referring to but:

Concealed Carry in Texas began in 1995 and required the licensed person to have the firearm on their person. No license required for long guns.

The Motorist Protection Act (not requiring a license) allowed for vehicle carry (if not otherwise restricted) starting in 2007. We now (in Texas) have Permit-Less carry (certain restrictions).

I know a lot of LEO in our town (albeit not a large sample group) and none have ever said anything to me about an NRA sticker or other pro-gun sticker.

 

[DustyRusty]

Poor ole Geo can't post a thing without causing controversy.

 

[58Ford]

I would agree with Geo on this and I think it’s depends on which large city you live near. It wouldn’t have bothered me 3 years ago but it does now. I live close to Portland and Antifa target cars with NRA stickers - this is a fact locally. You would be lucky if it’s just vandalism vs breakins and stolen items or vehicles. To the PDX homeless, an NRA sticker would be perceived as a bonus. “oooo Looky here - there might be a gun in there as well!”

if you wanted to “lose” a vehicle, any Portlander can tell you where to park it and what stickers to put on so it gets trashed and stolen fast.

I have friends that retired from the local Sheriffs office - they don’t have NRA stickers on their personal vehicles - same for my family that are in law enforcement. No NRA or GOA for that matter.

Back to OT though. Plug boot pullers look a lot like my pullers for the lug nut covers on big rig wheels! Slightly different though. I still pull plenty of spark plug boots! The 58, 2 bikes, 2 mowers, chainsaws, pressure washers etc. Pretty soon plug boot pullers will be hard to find in CA, WA & OR!

 

[Flintknapper]

Poor ole Geo can't post a thing without causing controversy.

When a person deliberately posts 'hot button' or 'controversial' subjects....its easy to predict the reaction. As much as I try to ignore and resist them....I fail at times.

 

[NCL4701]

Only thing that kind of irritates me is, as someone previously mentioned, pulling a boot that wasn’t lubricated when installed and/or is too remote to get a good grip on can be a a bit challenging to accomplish without damaging the wire. Apparently my father had the tool for the job available for years and I had no clue such a thing existed much less that there was a pair 100 yards away at his house. Of course that assumes they could be found on that table piled with miscellaneous stuff.

I’m thinking they’ll end up at my house and we won’t mention them to my brother.

 

[GeoHorn]

So you are saying the display of an NRA sticker was an indicator that you might have to 'fight' the driver. And that an unattended vehicle likely had a firearm in it?

I don't know the time line you are referring to but:

Concealed Carry in Texas began in 1995 and required the licensed person to have the firearm on their person. No license required for long guns.

The Motorist Protection Act (not requiring a license) allowed for vehicle carry (if not otherwise restricted) starting in 2007. We now (in Texas) have Permit-Less carry (certain restrictions).

I know a lot of LEO in our town (albeit not a large sample group) and none have ever said anything to me about an NRA sticker or other pro-gun sticker.

Flint… I was only making a round-a-bout suggestion you might consider with that NRA sticker on your vehicle.
As for the education you believe you’re offering to me about Texas gun laws… I am a Texas resident since 1949, a gun collector, an NRA member, a LTC holder, and the police dept I worked at in 1976-77 was the Belton Texas P.D. I kind of am familiar with the law on these points.

I was only suggesting that an NRA or other gun sticker on your car gives a pretty good clue there’s probably a gun inside it….and perhaps you might want to reconsider whether or not you wish to give that message to anyone/everyone out there in public,.

Your irritation at this pretty clearly proves that you ”might” be one of the hot-heads I’d need to be extra-careful with when approaching you during a traffic-stop. Thanks for proving the point.

 

[Biker1mike]

That is why I got rid of my "Arrive Stoned" bumper sticker.

 

[Flintknapper]

Flint… I was only making a round-a-bout suggestion you might consider with that NRA sticker on your vehicle.
I proudly display the NRA sticker and certain political bumper stickers from time to time. I am not cowardly abstaining from that because some other person might not like it, be 'offended' or be the kind of cretin that will 'key' your vehicle.

As for the education you believe you’re offering to me about Texas gun laws… I am a Texas resident since 1949, a gun collector, an NRA member, a LTC holder, and the police dept I worked at in 1976-77 was the Belton Texas P.D. I kind of am familiar with the law on these points.

Then you would know back then 1976-1977 that none of the current handgun laws existed right?" And that NRA stickers were more than common on vehicles at the time your 'partner' gave you his advice.

I was only suggesting that an NRA or other gun sticker on your car gives a pretty good clue there’s probably a gun inside it….and perhaps you might want to reconsider whether or not you wish to give that message to anyone/everyone out there in public,.

The ONLY thing an NRA sticker suggests....is that there is a good chance the owner of the vehicle is a gun OWNER. Not an indicator as to where any firearms owned are at present. And certainly NOT in the time period you were given the advice. The lawful possession of a handgun in a vehicle at that time was limited to transporting it (for any legal purpose) and also subject to certain 'traveling restrictions'. But maybe you forgot about that.

Your irritation at this pretty clearly proves that you ”might” be one of the hot-heads I’d need to be extra-careful with when approaching you during a traffic-stop. Thanks for proving the point.

No such thing. Why would anyone assume that NRA members are just naturally spoiling for a fight (as suggested by your partner)? Did you buy into that?

I've never been arrested, have NO criminal history. Had my CHL (now LTC) since 1996. Been through all the background checks (actually more rigorous than is required of LEO). Except for fighting my brother (in my youth) I have never started a fight in my entire life. Ended a few. No Sir, not a hot-head. But I will challenge broad assertions that NRA members must for some reason be approached with caution. That would include you also, would it not?

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[GeoHorn]

Flint…you miss the many points so completely it’s unproductive to further this exchange with you.
The more you know about someone the more you are enabled to be advantaged in any particular interaction. Keep on telling everyone you are likely armed or that a firearm is in your unoccupied vehicle if you think that is smart.

 

[Flintknapper]

Flint…you miss the many points so completely it’s unproductive to further this exchange with you.
The more you know about someone the more you are enabled to be advantaged in any particular interaction. Keep on telling everyone you are likely armed or that a firearm is in your unoccupied vehicle if you think that is smart.

Trouble is: Your position is NOT 'knowledge' of someone, but supposition.

'KNOWING' would involve facts, empirical evidence or past history with that person, etc.

NOT assumptions, false beliefs, prejudice or profiling.

This is what you said:

GeoHorn said:
"When I was a rookie my partner pointed out to me that when approaching a subject vehicle with a NRA sticker on the rear window to be prepared to 1- Fight if it was a traffic-stop, or 2-To document weapons-theft if it was an abandoned vehicle."

So I will ask again.

A. What is it about an NRA sticker (sans any other information about the driver or vehicle) that would cause you to think you might have to FIGHT this person?

You said yourself you are an NRA member. Are you a person spoiling for a fight with LEO. I suspect not. Nor are most other of the 5 million members.


B. If a vehicle is unattended why would you assume that it might have been broken into and firearms (left there) stolen? Especially in the time period you cited (1970's) when is was illegal (in Texas and most other States) to have a handgun in the vehicle. At no time in the last 50 years has it been wise to leave ANY valuables in an unattended vehicle.

How convenient for you (when you start to get backed into a corner), to state I have missed all your points and that further conversation would be 'unproductive'.

 

[skeets]

A Brother and cop told me to never advertise anything on yoru house or car or truck, especially something anti government, or pro gun. Now thats coming from da PoPo so take it for what its worth

 

[Flintknapper]

A Brother and cop told me to never advertise anything on yoru house or car or truck, especially something anti government, or pro gun. Now thats coming from da PoPo so take it for what its worth

Because why?

This is a topic worthy of its own 'off topic' discussion IMO.

 

[NCL4701]

This is a topic worthy of its own 'off topic' discussion IMO.

Agree. This has gone way off topic for this thread. Admittedly it’s already in “Off Topic” but it’s worthy of its own thread if folks wish to continue down the path this has taken.

 

[Flintknapper]

Agree. This has gone way off topic for this thread. Admittedly it’s already in “Off Topic” but it’s worthy of its own thread if folks wish to continue down the path this has taken.

You are of course, spot on.

I will bow out of this one.

 

[skeets]

While I agree this should be a thread all its own,,, but I will explain his thinking,,, if no one knows you own a firearm or carry one, or have anti or controversial thoughts about what ever, and you dont post it, one way or the other, then odds are you will not be a target for those whoes views differ with yours. Makes sense to me but then what do I know