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I built and maintained swimming pools to get through college back in the 70's, both vinyl lined and concrete/plaster. That's when I learned how bad drinking water is to swim in. It simply doesn't have enough disinfectant (by design) to kill off things that are bad for people by skin contact, especially when exposed to air for any length of time. Most of the pools we built were filled with city water, and nearly all of them took 50+ pounds of chemicals to get them treated to safe swimming levels. Don't even ask about well water. I HATED treating one filled with a well. It took weeks to get it clean with daily treatments and vacuuming. Worst part was topping off with the same water that had the problems to begin with. Guess what just happened to all the hard work? Actually, 3.0 ppm is pretty close to what's needed for pool water, and shocking a pool will take it up around 6.0 ppm. Shocking is exactly what it sounds like. It gives a chemical shock to all the little bio-creepies in the pool. Pool water isn't for drinking. PERIOD. For pool water to be nice and clear, it takes a LOT of chemicals that you'd probably rather not ingest. Kids don't care about getting pool water in their mouths, so it needs to be a lot safer than drinking water, ergo, the elevated chlorine levels. It needs to be as close as possible to a neutral 7.0 pH. If the total alkalinity is too low, then it will dry the skin pretty bad. Lotsa tweaking to do to pool water. It ain't just about killin' bio-baddies.

Based on the photo, it's a pretty small pool, so it may be cheaper to replace the water than to treat it, especially if you need to water your garden anyway. The cut-off is around 5000 gallons before chemically treating is more feasible than replacing the water. If you just want a little boost on disinfectant after you refill it, yeah, go ahead and dump a little bleach in it. Not much though. Bleach will raise the pH pretty quickly. Bad for the skin and eyes, and won't supply nearly as much chlorine as you hoped. Figure out how much (based on the pool volume) to get it to around 1.5 ppm - 3.0 ppm, and then dose it slowly to raise the chlorine levels. The smarter idea if you want that bump to last a little longer is to buy a box of stabilized chlorine tablets and use those.

Fact of the matter is that I wouldn't get in a little pool like that (no circulation, no filter, no chemical system) if the water was more than a couple days old. A human body is one of the nastiest things you can put in water, and rain is nastier than a human. This is why bathtubs have drains, not because we use soap in 'em. Water the lawn, forget the chemicals. If you're gonna have to water anyway, why would you spray the grass with clean tap water and try to clean up dirty pool water? You had the right idea to drain it and replace the water. I'd be doing it at least once a week, if not twice. If you must, clean the pool (while it's empty) with a stronger bleach solution, then fill it up. You're better off not putting chemicals in one that doesn't have built-in circulation and filtering, other than some algaecide. A bottle of algaecide will probably last you all summer in that little pool.
I stand corrected I don't have any professional knowledge of pools just drinking water, and figured if >1ppm was safe for consuming and killing bacteria in drinking water it would be safe for a pool, but I can admit when I'm wrong
 
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I built and maintained swimming pools to get through college back in the 70's, both vinyl lined and concrete/plaster. That's when I learned how bad drinking water is to swim in. It simply doesn't have enough disinfectant (by design) to kill off things that are bad for people by skin contact, especially when exposed to air for any length of time. Most of the pools we built were filled with city water, and nearly all of them took 50+ pounds of chemicals to get them treated to safe swimming levels. Don't even ask about well water. I HATED treating one filled with a well. It took weeks to get it clean with daily treatments and vacuuming. Worst part was topping off with the same water that had the problems to begin with. Guess what just happened to all the hard work? Actually, 3.0 ppm is pretty close to what's needed for pool water, and shocking a pool will take it up around 6.0 ppm. Shocking is exactly what it sounds like. It gives a chemical shock to all the little bio-creepies in the pool. Pool water isn't for drinking. PERIOD. For pool water to be nice and clear, it takes a LOT of chemicals that you'd probably rather not ingest. Kids don't care about getting pool water in their mouths, so it needs to be a lot safer than drinking water, ergo, the elevated chlorine levels. It needs to be as close as possible to a neutral 7.0 pH. If the total alkalinity is too low, then it will dry the skin pretty bad. Lotsa tweaking to do to pool water. It ain't just about killin' bio-baddies.

Based on the photo, it's a pretty small pool, so it may be cheaper to replace the water than to treat it, especially if you need to water your garden anyway. The cut-off is around 5000 gallons before chemically treating is more feasible than replacing the water. If you just want a little boost on disinfectant after you refill it, yeah, go ahead and dump a little bleach in it. Not much though. Bleach will raise the pH pretty quickly. Bad for the skin and eyes, and won't supply nearly as much chlorine as you hoped. Figure out how much (based on the pool volume) to get it to around 1.5 ppm - 3.0 ppm, and then dose it slowly to raise the chlorine levels. The smarter idea if you want that bump to last a little longer is to buy a box of stabilized chlorine tablets and use those.

Fact of the matter is that I wouldn't get in a little pool like that (no circulation, no filter, no chemical system) if the water was more than a couple days old. A human body is one of the nastiest things you can put in water, and rain is nastier than a human. This is why bathtubs have drains, not because we use soap in 'em. Water the lawn, forget the chemicals. If you're gonna have to water anyway, why would you spray the grass with clean tap water and try to clean up dirty pool water? You had the right idea to drain it and replace the water. I'd be doing it at least once a week, if not twice. If you must, clean the pool (while it's empty) with a stronger bleach solution, then fill it up. You're better off not putting chemicals in one that doesn't have built-in circulation and filtering, other than some algaecide. A bottle of algaecide will probably last you all summer in that little pool.
You should say 'untreated well water". Our well water out of the tap is damn near as clean you can get. Filtered, softened, filtered again. Significantly better (TDS, Ph,) than the city water we used to live on.
 

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You should say 'untreated well water". Our well water out of the tap is damn near as clean you can get. Filtered, softened, filtered again. Significantly better (TDS, Ph,) than the city water we used to live on.
I think that's what he meant, but you are correct, treated well water is superior becuase it doesn't come out of a man made reservoir, and in reality takes far less man made manipulation to make it "perfectly clear"
Edit: you should never (there are exceptions to every rule) fill a pool or pressure wash through a residential, well treatment system they aren"t made to handle that volume. unless the manufacture specifically states it is acceptable
 
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I think that's what he meant, but you are correct, treated well water is superior becuase it doesn't come out of a man made reservoir, and in reality takes far less man made manipulation to make it "perfectly clear"
Edit: you should never (there are exceptions to every rule) fill a pool or pressure wash through a residential, well treatment system they aren"t made to handle that volume. unless the manufacture specifically states it is acceptable
Yup, precisely what I meant. Down here we tend to have water with high mineral content that reacts very poorly with most pool chemicals. Some places have‘dream water’ that requires very little treatment, others, not so much.

Bottom line, it cost a lotta moolah to treat the water. If you’re treating it for drinking water, I simply can’t see the logic of saving the water in the pool when the gardenis parched. Most of the treatment chemicals are done, it has been out in the open, and would likely take just as much treatment again for use as pool water. So why not use it to irrigate and use the treated water to refill the pool?
 
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Yup, precisely what I meant. Down here we tend to have water with high mineral content that reacts very poorly with most pool chemicals. Some places have‘dream water’ that requires very little treatment, others, not so much.

Bottom line, it cost a lotta moolah to treat the water. If you’re treating it for drinking water, I simply can’t see the logic of saving the water in the pool when the gardenis parched. Most of the treatment chemicals are done, it has been out in the open, and would likely take just as much treatment again for use as pool water. So why not use it to irrigate and use the treated water to refill the pool?
Yeah, I get what you are saying now.
We are fortunate enough to be 62 miles from a major river with a well drilled 200' below sea level. The water is very good (but hard) out of the ground. Old rock, but it's on a fault line. Didn't take much to turn our tap into nearly pure H2O.
@trial and error - our well is 9gpm. It far exceeds what we would get out of the hose bib. Far beyond that is the pressure washer. That puts out 1.9gpm on the highest setting. It uses less water than the sprinkler or shower. What would be bad is filling a pool with a standard well pump. That is a crap ton of cycles. A couple neighbors have pools they fill from the house. The one family that Jason the variable speed pump is the one that Jason not replaced their pump 😄
 

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Yeah, I get what you are saying now.
We are fortunate enough to be 62 miles from a major river with a well drilled 200' below sea level. The water is very good (but hard) out of the ground. Old rock, but it's on a fault line. Didn't take much to turn our tap into nearly pure H2O.
@trial and error - our well is 9gpm. It far exceeds what we would get out of the hose bib. Far beyond that is the pressure washer. That puts out 1.9gpm on the highest setting. It uses less water than the sprinkler or shower. What would be bad is filling a pool with a standard well pump. That is a crap ton of cycles. A couple neighbors have pools they fill from the house. The one family that Jason the variable speed pump is the one that Jason not replaced their pump 😄
It's not the gpm of the pressure washer it's the suction they create, which can wreak having on softner and filter beds, it's also not the cycles of the well when filling a pool, although that isnt great. Properly installed softners use a meter that is made to countdown from x to 0. Filling a pool with several thousand gallons of water by mid-day will.leave the house with hard water for the remainder of the day until the system can regen that night. Same rule applies for filters for sulfer etc they are ussually set on a calender clock but if you use all those gallons that are designed to be spread over several days you will have issues until those filters regen. Doing this repeatedly will lead to premature failure of your media. We are getting off topic but it is important to understand the why of the things I said
Also a 3/4" hose can produce 10-12gpm which is far more then most residential filters and softners are made to maintain
 

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It's not the gpm of the pressure washer it's the suction they create, which can wreak having on softner and filter beds, it's also not the cycles of the well when filling a pool, although that isnt great. Properly installed softners use a meter that is made to countdown from x to 0. Filling a pool with several thousand gallons of water by mid-day will.leave the house with hard water for the remainder of the day until the system can regen that night. Same rule applies for filters for sulfer etc they are ussually set on a calender clock but if you use all those gallons that are designed to be spread over several days you will have issues until those filters regen. Doing this repeatedly will lead to premature failure of your media. We are getting off topic but it is important to understand the why of the things I said
Also a 3/4" hose can produce 10-12gpm which is far more then most residential filters and softners are made to maintain
Sort of..
Pressure washers don't create a suction on the inlet end as long as the output does not exceed the input. A pressure washer that puts out 2 gpm will not generate a negative pressure on a system that provides more than 2 gpm. As long as the well pump can exceed the output of the machine, there is no negative pressure.
Most modern softening systems regen based on gallons used + time, with a buffer. In my case, it is 2100 gallons, but it will soften 3000. So it goes into regen at 2am the day after it has passes 2100 gallons. However, it is still capable of softeninh another 900. Regen takes about an hour, during which time the system is bypassed leaving filtered water (not softened) to flow. It only cares about gallons. After a 60 minute regen, it puts out softened water. It doesn't take the rest of the day.
Further, a 3/4" hose might be capable of carrying 10gpm, bit it will only carry the flow that the well pump is putting out. That is typically less than 5 gpm due to pipe size and pressure. And the length of the line.
I'm not saying it's a good idea to dump 10000 gallons though your softener. Just that if my well will put out 15 gpm and has a 12 gpm pump (checked the specs since my prior post) it doesn't mean my hose will do that and I won't overload it.
Truth be told, when filling the RV, I get about 3.5 gpm at the end of a 3/4" hose (50') at 50 psi.
 

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Well that spiraled out of hand quickly(I’d expect no less from this bunch).

We are on well water, that isn’t filtered. Straight out the ground and into the house. I did pour a gallon of bleach down it and recirculate it for a bit to wash down the pipe after it was done. It’s 400’ deep and fracked. Best tasting water I’ve had, even if it comes from a $15k hole.
 
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Well that spiraled out of hand quickly(I’d expect no less from this bunch).

We are on well water, that isn’t filtered. Straight out the ground and into the house. I did pour a gallon of bleach down it and recirculate it for a bit to wash down the pipe after it was done. It’s 400’ deep and fracked. Best tasting water I’ve had, even if it comes from a $15k hole.
Sorry about that Matt - I just gave a little suggestion and it took on a life of its own…. :oops:
 

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Well that spiraled out of hand quickly(I’d expect no less from this bunch).

We are on well water, that isn’t filtered. Straight out the ground and into the house. I did pour a gallon of bleach down it and recirculate it for a bit to wash down the pipe after it was done. It’s 400’ deep and fracked. Best tasting water I’ve had, even if it comes from a $15k hole.
Don't expect too much and you won't get let down 🤣
 
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I love living in the country. 4th weekend and neighbors helping neighbors burn storm damage trees.
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Back to our normally scheduled program…

The neighbor buddy (a millwright) and I fixed on the brush hog today, a Land Pride RCR 1860. It had a handful of cracked welds after 15 years and about 450 hours and who knows how many “too” close contacts backing up along side a tree. I did the prep, he did the welding. I’ve attached a photo, but not really needing all the forum welding experts to tell me how we screwed it up.

Oh, and I’m a renegade, I fill my 6600 gallon redneck pool every spring with the 160 ft deep well that only has a sediment filter on it. The good thing about pumps? They sell them every day. The last one wimped out after 35 years. This one might outlast me, or not (‘cause pools).

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I want to know who the genius that came up with the idea of bottling water in plastic containers and selling it to the public at an exaggerated and staggering dollar amount per 16 ounces bottle.
 

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I know. I suggested that to the wife and she went almost ballistic. I’ll have to sneak it in next time we fill it.
A half cup of Hydrogen Peroxide will take care of any problems and will not hurt wildlife if they come to drink the water at night.
I use it in the old bathtubs I use to water the deer. It kills the algae and doesn't harm the gold fish I keep in there.
 

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