Vevor hydraulic steering unit for B series?

[dano7200]

I find this steering power steering unit very interesting. It seems as though there is no actual pump on this? It creates 400lbs of hydraulic pressure by just turning the wheel is what I'm gathering... I could be wrong though, not sure. I can't help but to think this could be adapted to my b7200 for power steering or in this case power steering assist??. No pump to hook up or figure out how to get plumbed and have enough flow/fluid for all your hydraulic needs. Just need to figure out where to put the 2 way cylinder. Seems as though if you could hook it to the steering arm that is connected to the steering box somehow would work. Disconnect the gear portion of it.
What do you think of this unit and the possibility of using for power steering on a b7200 with a FEL?
Don't really need it but would be nice addition as a lot of people mention or want it.

The wheels are turning...

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[PoTreeBoy]

I find this steering power steering unit very interesting. It seems as though there is no actual pump on this? It creates 400lbs of hydraulic pressure by just turning the wheel is what I'm gathering... I could be wrong though, not sure. I can't help but to think this could be adapted to my b7200 for power steering or in this case power steering assist??. No pump to hook up or figure out how to get plumbed and have enough flow/fluid for all your hydraulic needs. Just need to figure out where to put the 2 way cylinder. Seems as though if you could hook it to the steering arm that is connected to the steering box somehow would work. Disconnect the gear portion of it.
What do you think of this unit and the possibility of using for power steering on a b7200 with a FEL?
Don't really need it but would be nice addition as a lot of people mention or want it.

The wheels are turning...

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Bubble buster here, you don't get something for nothing in the real world. If you want power-assisted steering, the 'assist' has to be provided, that's where the connection to the hydraulic system is required. The only way that kit would make your steering easier is if it took more turns lock-to-lock, giving up distance for force. And I don't know how you'd determine that without having it in hand.

Some guys have retrofitted their tractors with parts from a similar tractor, don't know about your model.

 

[ken erickson]

Bubble buster here, you don't get something for nothing in the real world. If you want power-assisted steering, the 'assist' has to be provided, that's where the connection to the hydraulic system is required. The only way that kit would make your steering easier is if it took more turns lock-to-lock, giving up distance for force. And I don't know how you'd determine that without having it in hand.

Some guys have retrofitted their tractors with parts from a similar tractor, don't know about your model.

My thoughts also. My impression is that this system only allows doing away with the traditional cable and pulley system used on outboard boat engines.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

I find this steering power steering unit very interesting. It seems as though there is no actual pump on this? It creates 400lbs of hydraulic pressure by just turning the wheel is what I'm gathering... I could be wrong though, not sure. I can't help but to think this could be adapted to my b7200 for power steering or in this case power steering assist??. No pump to hook up or figure out how to get plumbed and have enough flow/fluid for all your hydraulic needs. Just need to figure out where to put the 2 way cylinder. Seems as though if you could hook it to the steering arm that is connected to the steering box somehow would work. Disconnect the gear portion of it.
What do you think of this unit and the possibility of using for power steering on a b7200 with a FEL?
Don't really need it but would be nice addition as a lot of people mention or want it.

The wheels are turning...

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If this kind of system worked then you would see it being used.
It simply will not work the way you think it should work.

 

[dano7200]

My thoughts also. My impression is that this system only allows doing away with the traditional cable and pulley system used on outboard boat engines.

My understanding is no external hydraulic system or pump is required. The pressure is created by the number of turns of the wheel mechanically with small pistons that create flow/pressure somehow. I think.. lol
im just trying to understand how it works exactly. Not finding a good explanation on the web yet. Kind of understand but still muddy water to me.

 

[dano7200]

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If this kind of system worked then you would see it being used.
It simply will not work the way you think it should work.

Ok. Your good at huffin and puffin blowin everyones house down. I guess you know all about these too and it flat out wont work because nobody has done it.
Forget i asked. Thx

 

[Hugo Habicht]

I find this steering power steering unit very interesting. It seems as though there is no actual pump on this?

Yes, there is a hydraulic pump with this. It is the round blob at the top left of the first picture. But it seems as you said, no electrical connections, so basically hydraulic connection to the rudder. So it is not power steering assisted but rather a convenient way of getting a mechanical linkage from the wheel to the rudder or outboard engine.

 

[William1]

Ah, got it. Hypothetically, it your machine currently has one full rotation of the steering when to go full right to full left, you add this and it now takes six turns to go full right to full left but with 1/6th the effort.

 

[TheOldHokie]

My understanding is no external hydraulic system or pump is required. The pressure is created by the number of turns of the wheel mechanically with small pistons that create flow/pressure somehow. I think.. lol
im just trying to understand how it works exactly. Not finding a good explanation on the web yet. Kind of understand but still muddy water to me.

It looks like a torque multiplier. Some older (antique) tractors did it with sprockets and chains.

You would be better off retro-fitting an electric PS system from a junked car. Real PS without hydraulics. Plenty of examples on the web.

Dan

 

[airbiscuit]

Use the electric steering from a Saturn Vue

 

[Chanceywd]

It looks like a torque multiplier. Some older (antique) tractors did it with sprockets and chains.

You would be better off retro-fitting an electric PS system from a junked car. Real PS without hydraulics. Plenty of examples on the web.

Dan

I put one from a gm on my 8N about 5 or 6 years ago. Works really good for this old guy with arthritic shoulders.

Bill

 

[TheOldHokie]

I put one from a gm on my 8N about 5 or 6 years ago. Works really good for this old guy with arthritic shoulders.

Bill

UD says your 8N steering box is too weak for EPS and will quickly grenade .

Dan

 

[Chanceywd]

UD says your 8N steering box is too weak for EPS and will quickly grenade .

Dan

I don't know what or who UD is but my 8N is a working tractor. I used it for ll my snow plowing on a 300' drive. Use it for my firewood in the woods and more. I read a lot of the opinions pro and con on this on TBN after i did mine.
I'm sure there are those that would say I ruined it and by adding a front hydraulic pump and system I have converted an original Dearborn front plow to power angle too.
There is a spare EPS in the garage but so far I haven't needed it.
I did read about copper core spark plug wires interfering with the unit and notice some hesitation at real low idle and plan on changing the plug wires sometime. With motor off and switch on it works flawlessly so interference may be there. All in all a good fix for me.

Bill

 

[TheOldHokie]

I don't know what or who UD is but my 8N is a working tractor. I used it for ll my snow plowing on a 300' drive. Use it for my firewood in the woods and more. I read a lot of the opinions pro and con on this on TBN after i did mine.
I'm sure there are those that would say I ruined it and by adding a front hydraulic pump and system I have converted an original Dearborn front plow to power angle too.
There is a spare EPS in the garage but so far I haven't needed it.
I did read about copper core spark plug wires interfering with the unit and notice some hesitation at real low idle and plan on changing the plug wires sometime. With motor off and switch on it works flawlessly so interference may be there. All in all a good fix for me.

Bill

My attemt at an inside joke Bill.

UD = Ultradog @ YT.

A few years ago we had a long rancorous "discussion" of EPS on an N-series and I figured you had at least seen the thread. He was and still is adamant it will overload and kill the steering gear box. I tried to explain the flaw in his logic and as our debates often do it got pretty heated

Dan

 

[Chanceywd]

My attemt at an inside joke Bill.

UD = Ultradog @ YT.

A few years ago we had a long rancorous "discussion" of EPS on an N-series and I figured you had at least seen the thread. He was and still is adamant it will overload and kill the steering gear box. I tried to explain the flaw in his logic and as our debates often do it got pretty heated

Dan

Now that you mention it it may have been YT. I remember reading some there who were vary opinionated.
Thanks Dan for rattling the brain cells for me.

Bill