Pistols

[Greenhead]

We are gonna switch the sights out on the Baretta.

We went shooting today. Brother in law brought over some of his pistols that were similar size to try. Found that we liked the sites and had better consistency on his.

Both were the same size, weight, and trigger pull. Only difference was the sight.

After a couple clips through it, we were getting an 8" grouping with ours. With the other, we were getting a 3" grouping.




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Daren, I couldn't help myself from commenting on the shooting position of this person in the photo. I was a state instructor for many years. When the department went through the transition from wheel guns there were many problems changing the mind sets and practices of dinosaurs. The position of the left hand, particularly the the left thumb is a disaster waiting to happen. If that thumb is slightly raised when the gun fires the slide will drag deep train tracks through that skin. She may not want to shoot again, ever...
Keep both thumbs pointing forward. I've yelled at plenty of people for this (yes, I was a Sergeant) and especially when they got blood on the guns..

 

[Daren Todd]

Greenhead, We ran into an instructor out at the range the other day. So after talking to him for a bit, my wife got some free instruction One was on how to grip the gun properly, use the sights properly, and the third was trigger control She's improved considerably

I changed the grip out on her baretta as well to the smallest one, so it's more comfortable for her

 

[BCrouse]

Greenhead, We ran into an instructor out at the range the other day. So after talking to him for a bit, my wife got some free instruction One was on how to grip the gun properly, use the sights properly, and the third was trigger control She's improved considerably



I changed the grip out on her baretta as well to the smallest one, so it's more comfortable for her

I have not read the entire thread so if its been mentioned already, sorry.

Find yourself a reputable instructor and take classes. Its important. If you plan on carrying daily, even more so.

 

[85Hokie]

Daren, I couldn't help myself from commenting on the shooting position of this person in the photo. I was a state instructor for many years. When the department went through the transition from wheel guns there were many problems changing the mind sets and practices of dinosaurs. The position of the left hand, particularly the the left thumb is a disaster waiting to happen. If that thumb is slightly raised when the gun fires the slide will drag deep train tracks through that skin. She may not want to shoot again, ever...
Keep both thumbs pointing forward. I've yelled at plenty of people for this (yes, I was a Sergeant) and especially when they got blood on the guns..

Green,

I made comment on this on one of Daren's first posts. I learned a while back, the non dominate hand really has more to do with accuracy than trigger pull, well - within reason.

- the thumbs forward, basically pointing to the target, locks both hands together and make for a "good" shot.

having the web too high can get some meat pinched too!

here is an old fav on WHERE not to have a thumb -----revolver style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nucg5VAff4c

 

[OldeEnglish]

For some stupid reason I shoot better one handed.

 

[GaryL]

Ok guys. Just curious what your preferences are.

Wife and I went shopping for pistols today. Haven't found one for me yet. But my wife came home with a sweet 9mm Baretta Px4 storm that fit her good.

We attended the local gun show, and she also came home with a flashlight taser Guess I better behave myself


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The PX4 is not on the "Approved List" here in Massachusetts. I think Beretta is in the small group of companies making the best guns. I've always carried the 9mm 92FS due to its performance capabilities. But, I got up from the table at a restaurant a couple of months ago, and two uniformed officers were staring at my right hip. I realized that I should probably get something a bit smaller, if it was that obvious.

I ended up with some really good luck in finding a brand spanking new, 2011 Beretta 84 Cheetah in .380. Had the stickers still on the trigger guard. never fired, ever oiled. Shoots just like my 92. Accurate. Fast. No jams. Love it. Much smaller frame, but totally feels like a "real" gun in my hands. I love the double/single action of the trigger, and the safety is also a de-cocker. Perfect gun for me.

 

[Daren Todd]

The PX4 is not on the "Approved List" here in Massachusetts. I think Beretta is in the small group of companies making the best guns. I've always carried the 9mm 92FS due to its performance capabilities. But, I got up from the table at a restaurant a couple of months ago, and two uniformed officers were staring at my right hip. I realized that I should probably get something a bit smaller, if it was that obvious.

I ended up with some really good luck in finding a brand spanking new, 2011 Beretta 84 Cheetah in .380. Had the stickers still on the trigger guard. never fired, ever oiled. Shoots just like my 92. Accurate. Fast. No jams. Love it. Much smaller frame, but totally feels like a "real" gun in my hands. I love the double/single action of the trigger, and the safety is also a de-cocker. Perfect gun for me.

Isn't there a limit to the number of rounds you can have in a gun in mass? May be why the px4 isn't on the approved list. 9mm holds 17 rounds, .40 S&W holds 12.

Arkansas has some pretty mild gun laws. Can open carry, and own pretty much anything as long as it's not an automatic. Guy had an uzi out at the rifle range the other day. Couple other folks had an ar15 that they were sighting in a scope on. Mother in law has a 100 shot drum for her little 22 rifle

 

[Daren Todd]

Here's some interesting resources zip found about the concealed carry permits per state.

Here's the map. You can use it to check and see which states recognize your permit.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

And here's the info per state and what each state requires for the conceal carry permit.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_information.html

 

[OldeEnglish]

Isn't there a limit to the number of rounds you can have in a gun in mass? May be why the px4 isn't on the approved list. 9mm holds 17 rounds, .40 S&W holds 12.

Arkansas has some pretty mild gun laws. Can open carry, and own pretty much anything as long as it's not an automatic. Guy had an uzi out at the rifle range the other day. Couple other folks had an ar15 that they were sighting in a scope on. Mother in law has a 100 shot drum for her little 22 rifle

10 round max magazine unless the magazine was made before the original Clinton Assault Weapon Ban in 94, I don't recall the exact date. As far as AR's and AK's go, pre 94 ban rifles are the only ones that can be sold. They are fetching a premium price for old and run down rifles.

Open carry is legal here too, but if a moon bat calls the police on you it's a safe bet they will find you "unsuitable" and you will lose your LTC. Full auto is legal here too as long as you have what we call a Green Card. In order to get one of those you need to live in a town or city that has a 2A friendly police chief. A lot of towns and cities have anti 2A police chiefs, whom have control over issuing a person a Unrestricted LTC which means you can carry concealed. A vast majority of those anit towns and cities have the highest crime rates in the state , others are just liberal breeding grounds like Camebridge. It's just another example how criminals don't follow laws.

Our laws will make your head spin and most definitely will give you a headache trying to understand them clearly.

 

[Daren Todd]

10 round max magazine unless the magazine was made before the original Clinton Assault Weapon Ban in 94, I don't recall the exact date. As far as AR's and AK's go, pre 94 ban rifles are the only ones that can be sold. They are fetching a premium price for old and run down rifles.

Open carry is legal here too, but if a moon bat calls the police on you it's a safe bet they will find you "unsuitable" and you will lose your LTC. Full auto is legal here too as long as you have what we call a Green Card. In order to get one of those you need to live in a town or city that has a 2A friendly police chief. A lot of towns and cities have anti 2A police chiefs, whom have control over issuing a person a Unrestricted LTC which means you can carry concealed. A vast majority of those anit towns and cities have the highest crime rates in the state , others are just liberal breeding grounds like Camebridge. It's just another example how criminals don't follow laws.

Our laws will make your head spin and most definitely will give you a headache trying to understand them clearly.

I noticed that. One of the links above that I found broke down the CC laws and requirement per state. Checked out Massachusetts, New York, and a few others, apparently Arkansas cc permit is excepted by the majority of states. With the exception of about 10 of them.

I did notice that the few states that had stringent regulations, there CC permits weren't widely recognized. I'm assuming it's the not recognizing out of state CC permits that restricted where there CC permits are excepted.

I did get a good laugh reading through the Massachusetts CC requirements. There is a clause in there for vermont residents applying for an out of state CC in Massachusetts. Said you must supply a note from the local PD stating your of good character

 

[MadMax31]

My Father bailed on Mass back in 98'. Hes in Bennington now, where he can get a tank of gas, a gallon of milk and a 1911 all at one stop....

Im stuck in Communist NY as my Wife wont move farther than 30 miles from her parents. Our ARs are the stupidest looking and functioning firearms Ive held yet. Im sticking to handguns until Prince Cuomo makes those illegal as well....

 

[OldeEnglish]

My Father bailed on Mass back in 98'. Hes in Bennington now, where he can get a tank of gas, a gallon of milk and a 1911 all at one stop....

Im stuck in Communist NY as my Wife wont move farther than 30 miles from her parents. Our ARs are the stupidest looking and functioning firearms Ive held yet. Im sticking to handguns until Prince Cuomo makes those illegal as well....

I love Vermont, but it's slowly being taken over by NY, CT, MA, and NJ moon bats that vacation there and end up buying. They have hardly any regulations as long as your not a convicted criminal, and at the same time I never hear of any mass shootings or "gun violence." Maybe one crack head from time to time gets shot but I call that natural selection.

NY just plain sucks, I rarely venture over the border. God forbid you have a nice home, they'll tax you straight to the poor house. At least you can buy what resembles an AR and any pistol of your choice. If the pistols don't comply with our nanny AG's stupid regulations, forget about it. Most gun manufactures don't even want to bother submitting their guns to her testing, and that means every shade of color of every gun.... yeah it's that stupid.


Daren- I wish they would just make one federal license that is accepted everywhere. That makes too much sense I know the diehard 2A people that live where they don't need a license to carry aren't a fan of any licenses for constitutional right, but it would make traveling a hell of a lot easier. I'm not a fan of the possibility of spending the night on a steel cot and losing everything I own because I don't have that state's license even though I do have one.

 

[GaryL]

Isn't there a limit to the number of rounds you can have in a gun in mass? May be why the px4 isn't on the approved list. 9mm holds 17 rounds, .40 S&W holds 12.

Arkansas has some pretty mild gun laws. Can open carry, and own pretty much anything as long as it's not an automatic. Guy had an uzi out at the rifle range the other day. Couple other folks had an ar15 that they were sighting in a scope on. Mother in law has a 100 shot drum for her little 22 rifle

As said, the mags need to have been made prior to the 1994 Fed ban. I have plenty of 15's for the 9mm. The .380 is now my carry gun. I have decided to stick with the standard 10rd mags for carry, plus one in a hip case, just incase I do end up in a situation. I want to be as legal as possible, and non-scary looking, while defending my right to protect myself.

 

[skeets]

You carry a .308.. WOW you man you,,,lol,, just messin with ya we know you meant a .380

 

[85Hokie]

You carry a .308.. WOW you man you,,,lol,, just messin with ya we know you meant a .380

I thought the same thing - knowing that fat fingers often have their mishaps!

Hell, my fav key is the backspace key, hit it mo' often than any other!

 

[OldeEnglish]

If anyone has a smith and wesson 500 es they would like to part with, or know someone that does please shoot me a PM.

 

[Daren Todd]

Got the 270 figured out. Cleaned the living snot out of it.

Then tried different ammo. All the same grain. The Remington core lokt ammo wouldn't feed. Would eject the second she'll but wouldn't load the third.

Winchester cxp2 ammo, all five shots went flawlessly


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[GaryL]

You carry a .308.. WOW you man you,,,lol,, just messin with ya we know you meant a .380

lol...Yeah that .308 would hurt. I do that all the time while talking about my .308 and my .380. I changed my post so others didn't think I was meaning that. I did just fire a .460 with bear slug, and it was a big-bad handgun. Wouldn't want to try to conceal it though.

 

[skeets]

I dont know about the.460 or .500 way to much for this sissy old man,, I ll stick with the 29 thank you very much. A very long time ago I came across a guy that had a 6 inch 29, his home had been flooded out and the gun storage in the basement was full of water and mud. It was like almost a month before the ins company would let him get back in. You can guess what things looked like. Anyway I picked it up for a song and took it to a local shop, the barrel looked like a hunk of old water pipe, there was no saving it. He had a 3 inch, someone had changed out for a 6 incher,, COOL screw that bad girl in. I carried it in a shoulder rig for many years while mags were a fright out of it, muzzle blast would bring tears to your eyes and blind you after dark, specials were nice to shoot. Thats one I should have never let slip away,,,ahhh well such is life

 

[sdk1968]

you guys laughed at his typo on the 308...

but i actually do carry 7.62x39 AK pistols a lot of the time. 1" & 3" barrels...


they arent my CCW gun, thats my 5.7FN herstal... but AK's & AR's are now available in "carry pistol sizes".