Not so new here with a couple of B6000's

[Russell King]

Got it home today!
Now to take off the loader and rototiller from the old one. I'll give them a quick coat of paint before putting them on the new one.
I'll also have to figure out how to Tee the rear hydraulic line and the loader lines together.

I'll also have to decide if I want to swap over the rebuilt injectors and new glow plugs from the old one as well. Same with swapping the OEM air intake over to it or not...

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I noticed that the 3PH on the B6000 seems like it is pretty jacked up and seems to be missing the correct left and right vertical lift rods. You may want to move them from the older tractor.

That is an interesting method to get the rear blade adjusted using a motor and chain drive instead of a cylinder to move the blade angle. Do you know why it was done that way?

 

[trevoroni]

You can't Tee into the hydraulics, it has to be a loop.

Sorry, add a second loop.
Or look into adding a separate pump for the loader. It does work ok off the tractor hydraulics but it is a little slow.

Thats a very nice install on the remotes - looks factory or professional aftermarket. Does it work independent of the 3pt?

The loader on your old tractor was apparently plumbed into the main hydraulic supply line from the pump. One of the pictures shows what looks like a splice.

Dan

Yes it acts independently of the 3pt hitch.
It's hooked up to the main hydraulics off the tractor the same way the loader on the old one.

I noticed that the 3PH on the B6000 seems like it is pretty jacked up and seems to be missing the correct left and right vertical lift rods. You may want to move them from the older tractor.

That is an interesting method to get the rear blade adjusted using a motor and chain drive instead of a cylinder to move the blade angle. Do you know why it was done that way?

The old tractor doesn't have any of the linkage for the 3pt hitch, the rototiller hooks directly to the lift arms and it has 4 bolts that goes around the PTO.

I'm not sure why he built it that way. It is neat because it can spin around 360*.
It all looks really well done though.

 

[TheOldHokie]

Yes it acts independently of the 3pt hitch. It's hooked up to the main hydraulics off the tractor the same way the loader on the old one.

Then you just insert the loader in between the pump and the aux vslve:

Pump -> loader valve -> aux valve.

I'm not sure why he built it that way. It is neat because it can spin around 360*.

I would say he built it with the motor and chain drive so it will rotate 360. Cant do that with cylinders.

He also has a crossover relief in the motor supply lines so you dont break things if you hook a tree or rock - very professional

Dsn

 

[trevoroni]

Then you just insert the loader in between the pump and the aux vslve:

Pump -> loader valve -> aux valve.



I would say he built it with the motor and chain drive so it will rotate 360. Cant do that with cylinders.

He also has a crossover relief in the motor supply lines so you dont break things if you hook a tree or rock - very professional

Dsn

Well that should make it easier to plumb them all together.
I think I'll go pump ->aux valve-> loader since he did a great job with the hard line from the pump to the aux valve.
Well they're all great but that one would be in the way the most.

And then I can get a hose made up from the rear valve under the seat and back to the loader valve.
Then I just have to swap over the return line from the old tractor from the loader valve to the tractor.

 

[TheOldHokie]

Well that should make it easier to plumb them all together.
I think I'll go pump ->aux valve-> loader since he did a great job with the hard line from the pump to the aux valve.
Well they're all great but that one would be in the way the most.

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And then I can get a hose made up from the rear valve under the seat and back to the loader valve.
Then I just have to swap over the return line from the old tractor from the loader valve to the tractor.

How are you going to feed the loader off the.aux valve? I cant see that connection in sny of the pictures.

Dan

 

[trevoroni]

I went and examined the 2 tractors side by side and I think your idea will result in less hosing/piping.
Here's the old one....

And here's the new one...

I'll see if I can find somewhere to modify the hardline on the new one going to the aux valve to have a threaded connection for the hose of the loader at about the same spot as the old one or else get a longer hose to connect them together.

 

[TheOldHokie]

I went and examined the 2 tractors side by side and I think your idea will result in less hosing/piping.
Here's the old one....
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And here's the new one...
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I'll see if I can find somewhere to modify the hardline on the new one going to the aux valve to have a threaded connection for the hose of the loader at about the same spot as the old one or else get a longer hose to connect them together.

Whoever did that aux valve was real handy with a tubing bender!!

Inserting the loader valve in the supply pipe looks easy enough but heres something you probsbly dont want to hear.

Neither the aux valve nor the loader vslve have any provision for pressure relief. That means stalling the loader or the blade with a heavy load will deadhead the pump snd very possibly damage it.

At a minimum there should be an inlet relief in the loader valve and ideally the loader valve should be plumbed with both power beyond and tank return outlets.

Dan

 

[trevoroni]

At a minimum there should be an inlet relief in the loader valve and ideally the loader valve should be plumbed with both power beyond and tank return outlets.

I agree that should probably be incorporated into the circuit... The measly 12hp engine stalls out the few times I've hit the end of the stroke of a cylinder on the loader.

I had a few minutes tonight to compare the gray market and North American versions side by side tonight and hears what I found externally at least... But either one of them could have been modified in the past 50 years.

1. The battery and diesel tank are 90* offset and the tank is a different shape. The decompression rod is also in a different location and bent differently.

2. The rad debris screen is corrugated more on the import and there's a few extra holes on the sides and wing nuts to remove it.
I'm certain the expansion tank bottle is aftermarket on the NA one.

3. Also suspect to change by a previous owner. The old one has a keystock and square head on the pin holding the front axle. While the new one has an angle iron. The casting is different on the housing as well.

4. The dash configuration on both of them are different but I'm sure they've both been modified previously.

 

[trevoroni]

I'm not sure what the generator switch left of the steering column does on the new one but it has lots of wires hooked to it that I couldn't trace without taking anything apart.

The new one also has a quick connect for a battery maintainer wired in.

5. The spring hooks and mounting brackets to the tractor holding the hood down are different.

6. The PTO shield and bottom 3pt hitch shaft mounting plate will have to come off to mount the rototiller.

7. The throttle linkage on the old one is more complex and better to operate.

 

[trevoroni]

Look what I found on Youtube!

 

[TheOldHokie]

Look what I found on Youtube!

I want one!!

Dan

 

[Charlie9000]

Look what I found on Youtube!

That's me... well it's my boy, I'm swinging the camera!

 

[trevoroni]

Glad I got you back over here!
It looks like you were looking into head gaskets and cylinder liners at one point...
Did you ever do anything with them?

 

[trevoroni]

I also noticed that the wheels/tires on this one are the same. 7.00-14 on the rear and 5.00-12 on the front.
It must be a compatible size despite what the manual says.

 

[trevoroni]

I should have taken a before picture but I got a little bit of seat time on the new tractor and played with the back blade on the driveway.
It works great. The tractor even can pull the blade up our driveway while dragging. It doesn't look very steep in the pictures but it's a decent grade.

 

[PaulL]

Great looking machine. Big step up from the old one. Are you keeping both? Hard to let go of a machine you've put that much time into.

 

[trevoroni]

I'm going to take the loader and rototiller off of the old one and am debating on which of the new parts that I put on it to swap over before selling it.

 

[trevoroni]

Finally had time to start the swap procedure.
Got the hardline off the new one and marked where I'm going to cut the section off to add the hoses to the loader valve.

And I had a jumper hose made up for the old tractor to complete the circuit with the loader removed.

Hopefully tomorrow I'll have time at work to make some new hoses to the loader valve and modify the hardline.

 

[trevoroni]

Got the loader removed from the old one.

I noticed that it had the frame extended out the front to mount the diagonal braces to. The loader must be made for a 3 cyl model.

Since I don't have a welder I'm going to get a bolt on extension made that fits the 8 holes on the front of the new one and has the 4 holes for the loader mount.

 

[trevoroni]

Oh and I got the hardline modified and some new hoses made up.