My Turn :(

[wp6529]

Whether medical, auto, plumbing, etc. if you are naieve and blindly go to a service provider you will not be likely to get the best result. You have to be intelligent and do your own research to direct what you need done.

When I go to see my doc I do so armed with a large report of several months of daily data, my own analysis and thoughts on what we should do next. The graphs I run of my CGM data pretty well show the results, not only is my A1C almost to "normal" at this point, you can see the graph is clearly getting flatter as well, not just lower average but smaller deviation. The doc consistently says just keep doing what you're doing, it's working very well.

 

[6869704x4]

Get well soon.

By now almost everyone has had Covid at least once. It doesn't seem like the shots are doing what they were promised to do with very little risk for everyone.

The shots did exactly what they were intended to do. Helping with covid may have been a side effect.

 

[DustyRusty]

I lost a lot of friends to COVID-19, and almost lost a good friend who refused to get vaccinated and wound up in the hospital for almost 3 months. He still won't get vaccinated, and still has his head up his ass when it comes to protective vaccines. Just a few months ago I lost a friend who was going through chemo for cancer for the 3rd time, and he got covid while in the hospital. I rather gamble getting sick for a few days which has never happened and get the vaccine rather than get the disease.

 

[wp6529]

I lost a lot of friends to COVID-19, and almost lost a good friend who refused to get vaccinated and wound up in the hospital for almost 3 months. He still won't get vaccinated, and still has his head up his ass when it comes to protective vaccines. Just a few months ago I lost a friend who was going through chemo for cancer for the 3rd time, and he got covid while in the hospital. I rather gamble getting sick for a few days which has never happened and get the vaccine rather than get the disease.

I'm fortunate I didn't loose anyone I knew, but I do know that in my sample of 5 who got vax'd and 5 who didn't, none of the vax'd required more than a dose of nyquil to treat, and three of the 5 unvax'd ended up in the hospital.

I also know that in the past 25 years or so, the only time I got the flu was the one year I didn't get the flu vax and the flu knocked me on my ass for two weeks while the other 24 years I has a slightly sore spot on my arm for one day.

 

[Daren Todd]

I'm fortunate I didn't loose anyone I knew, but I do know that in my sample of 5 who got vax'd and 5 who didn't, none of the vax'd required more than a dose of nyquil to treat, and three of the 5 unvax'd ended up in the hospital.

I also know that in the past 25 years or so, the only time I got the flu was the one year I didn't get the flu vax and the flu knocked me on my ass for two weeks while the other 24 years I has a slightly sore spot on my arm for one day.

I don't do the flu shot. Wife can't do the flu shot since she's allergic to it.

I've had the flu 20 years ago, and then 3 years ago. I've had covid twice.

The first time was before any vaccinations were available. And honestly, I've had worse sinus infections.

Covid, flu, etc..... effect everybody differently. One person ends up in intensive care for months. The next person doesn't even know they had it unless they had a positive test.

 

[jimh406]

I lost a lot of friends to COVID-19, and almost lost a good friend who refused to get vaccinated and wound up in the hospital for almost 3 months. He still won't get vaccinated

Of course, there are people who died from side effects from the vaccination as well. Make your choice and go from there. What's a shame is people don't know what their trading off.

Fwiw, I know one very old uncle who supposedly died from Covid, I'm lucky, and know only a few that had any of the vaccinations. However, people die from the Flu and Pneumonia most years as well. It doesn't prove anything, but that's the truth. The people that I know who've had Covid the most were vaccinated. I don't know if that proves anything either.

 

[P0234]

The shots did exactly what they were intended to do. Helping with covid may have been a side effect.

I think a healthy amount of skepticism/paranoia is good. But I need help understanding why the conspiracy theorists are convinced the shots are some part of some sort of <insert whatever> conspiracy.

I mean if I was Dr. Evil and I wanted to control the world, I'd create a disease and the cure/vaccine. The sheep who followed my instructions would get to live, the rest would die from the disease. The next time around, the sheep would be even more likely to take the cure/vaccine.

It seems to be those that think there is a conspiracy and no actual disease would make a plan like that not work. Where am I going wrong?

 

[wp6529]

I think a healthy amount of skepticism/paranoia is good. But I need help understanding why the conspiracy theorists are convinced the shots are some part of some sort of <insert whatever> conspiracy.

I mean if I was Dr. Evil and I wanted to control the world, I'd create a disease and the cure/vaccine. The sheep who followed my instructions would get to live, the rest would die from the disease. The next time around, the sheep would be even more likely to take the cure/vaccine.

It seems to be those that think there is a conspiracy and no actual disease would make a plan like that not work. Where am I going wrong?

You cannot apply logic or rational thought to conspiracy theories, religion, liberalism, environmentalism, etc. they are all the product of emotion only.

 

[lynnmor]

I think a healthy amount of skepticism/paranoia is good. But I need help understanding why the conspiracy theorists are convinced the shots are some part of some sort of <insert whatever> conspiracy.

I mean if I was Dr. Evil and I wanted to control the world, I'd create a disease and the cure/vaccine. The sheep who followed my instructions would get to live, the rest would die from the disease. The next time around, the sheep would be even more likely to take the cure/vaccine.

It seems to be those that think there is a conspiracy and no actual disease would make a plan like that not work. Where am I going wrong?

You are not seeing the woods for the trees.

 

[Daren Todd]

You cannot apply logic or rational thought to conspiracy theories, religion, liberalism, environmentalism, etc. they are all the product of emotion only.

There have been plenty of things labeled "Conspiracy Theories" lately that have been later proven to be true

 

[Daren Todd]

I think a healthy amount of skepticism/paranoia is good. But I need help understanding why the conspiracy theorists are convinced the shots are some part of some sort of <insert whatever> conspiracy.

I mean if I was Dr. Evil and I wanted to control the world, I'd create a disease and the cure/vaccine. The sheep who followed my instructions would get to live, the rest would die from the disease. The next time around, the sheep would be even more likely to take the cure/vaccine.

It seems to be those that think there is a conspiracy and no actual disease would make a plan like that not work. Where am I going wrong?

The big issue with the covid "Vaccine" is that it was experimental. They also had to change the physical definition of a "Vaccine" in order for it to be called one.

Nobody had a flipping clue on if it would work, what it would do, or any type of long term effects it would have on someone. There was also no idea how it would effect newborns and unborn children.

Then add to that, the CDC was all over the bloody place.

So it's pretty understandable why there was such outrage over our health care officials being the guinea pigs, as well as why plenty of people chose to take their chances and avoid the "Vaccine".

The science was new, there wasn't enough info to back up their claims. And then in a short amount of time, it was found that the claims were complete and utter BS.

We were supposed to "Trust the science" when the scientists were all over the place.

 

[wp6529]

The big issue with the covid "Vaccine" is that it was experimental. They also had to change the physical definition of a "Vaccine" in order for it to be called one.

Nobody had a flipping clue on if it would work, what it would do, or any type of long term effects it would have on someone. There was also no idea how it would effect newborns and unborn children.

Then add to that, the CDC was all over the bloody place.

So it's pretty understandable why there was such outrage over our health care officials being the guinea pigs, as well as why plenty of people chose to take their chances and avoid the "Vaccine".

The science was new, there wasn't enough info to back up their claims. And then in a short amount of time, it was found that the claims were complete and utter BS.

We were supposed to "Trust the science" when the scientists were all over the place.

Simply put, most of those claims are flat out lies.

The covid vaccines were not experimental, they are simply part of a new class of vaccines, the MRNA vaccines. This is the same class as the Ebola vaccines that were in development 20+ years and were proven to be quite effective in the Ebola outbreaks that preceded covid.

Every scientist who had been involved in MRNA vaccine development over the past 20+ years knew exactly that it would work, what it would to and the long term effects of it. They had spent much of their careers working on this. They also had a very good idea that it would not have any bad effects on younger people, there had just not been as much testing at that point. This is exactly why the covid vaccine was limited to older populations while more data was gathered to show the safety in younger persons.

Twenty plus years is not "new". Just because the general public only hears the term MRNA Vaccine recently does not mean it was just developed. I heard the term 20 years ago, listening to an NPR piece on the development of Ebola vaccines.

The CDC was also not "all over the place". Anyone with some intelligence could have followed the weekly science briefs published by the CDC and seen the very clear progression as more and more information about covid was discovered. Did you know exactly how to operate a tractor and attachments perfectly the very first time you saw one? Of course not, you learned over time and adjusted your operation as you learned.

The only thing "all over the place" is and was the anti-vax conspiracy theorists who desparately cling to their emotional beliefs in the face of the mountains of evidence showing them to be wrong.

 

[Daren Todd]

Simply put, most of those claims are flat out lies.

The covid vaccines were not experimental, they are simply part of a new class of vaccines, the MRNA vaccines. This is the same class as the Ebola vaccines that were in development 20+ years and were proven to be quite effective in the Ebola outbreaks that preceded covid.

Every scientist who had been involved in MRNA vaccine development over the past 20+ years knew exactly that it would work, what it would to and the long term effects of it. They had spent much of their careers working on this. They also had a very good idea that it would not have any bad effects on younger people, there had just not been as much testing at that point. This is exactly why the covid vaccine was limited to older populations while more data was gathered to show the safety in younger persons.

Twenty plus years is not "new". Just because the general public only hears the term MRNA Vaccine recently does not mean it was just developed. I heard the term 20 years ago, listening to an NPR piece on the development of Ebola vaccines.

The CDC was also not "all over the place". Anyone with some intelligence could have followed the weekly science briefs published by the CDC and seen the very clear progression as more and more information about covid was discovered. Did you know exactly how to operate a tractor and attachments perfectly the very first time you saw one? Of course not, you learned over time and adjusted your operation as you learned.

The only thing "all over the place" is and was the anti-vax conspiracy theorists who desparately cling to their emotional beliefs in the face of the mountains of evidence showing them to be wrong.

What evidence are your referring too???

It's also not a conspiracy theory for someone to make an educated decision about their health and treatment.

The covid vaccine was only on production for 6 months before being rolled out to the general public.

One of those vaccines (Johnson and johnson) later lost emergency approval due to adverse side effects.

That's 1/3 of the the offered vaccines.

Everybody gets bombarded every day with commercials for lawsuits against drug manufacturers for medications that have been on the market for years that were later found to cause serious medical issues.

That makes it pretty reasonable for someone to question the integrity of a vaccine that has only been in the works for 6 months.

There are no long term studies.

They have know idea about long term side effects.

They had no idea about birth defects.

As far as the CDC goes.... they didn't have a flipping clue. They changed their recommendations weekly. I have 5 relatives in various Healthcare settings. My wife handled implementing the recommendations in the nursing facility she worked in.

One week they were stating one thing. The next they were stating the opposite.

 

[D2Cat]

Simply put, most of those claims are flat out lies.

The covid vaccines were not experimental, they are simply part of a new class of vaccines, the MRNA vaccines. This is the same class as the Ebola vaccines that were in development 20+ years and were proven to be quite effective in the Ebola outbreaks that preceded covid.

Every scientist who had been involved in MRNA vaccine development over the past 20+ years knew exactly that it would work, what it would to and the long term effects of it. They had spent much of their careers working on this. They also had a very good idea that it would not have any bad effects on younger people, there had just not been as much testing at that point. This is exactly why the covid vaccine was limited to older populations while more data was gathered to show the safety in younger persons.

Twenty plus years is not "new". Just because the general public only hears the term MRNA Vaccine recently does not mean it was just developed. I heard the term 20 years ago, listening to an NPR piece on the development of Ebola vaccines.

The CDC was also not "all over the place". Anyone with some intelligence could have followed the weekly science briefs published by the CDC and seen the very clear progression as more and more information about covid was discovered. Did you know exactly how to operate a tractor and attachments perfectly the very first time you saw one? Of course not, you learned over time and adjusted your operation as you learned.

The only thing "all over the place" is and was the anti-vax conspiracy theorists who desparately cling to their emotional beliefs in the face of the mountains of evidence showing them to be wrong.

If the ingredients in the covid vaccines had been twenty years in existence why was that information not available? Why was it determined no law suits can be filed for any adverse events? If those adverse events were problems with automobiles on the road there would be a recall and sales stopped quickly.

Your arrogant attitude is ozzing out with every post as demonstrated by this post, " For those of us who followed the weekly science updates published by the CDC and others this learning process was 100% clear and 100% transparent. It does require a certain level of education to understand the terminology in the science updates but you do not need to be a PhD to understand them."

Here's another one, "
Whether medical, auto, plumbing, etc. if you are naieve and blindly go to a service provider you will not be likely to get the best result. You have to be intelligent and do your own research to direct what you need done.

When I go to see my doc I do so armed with a large report of several months of daily data, my own analysis and thoughts on what we should do next. The graphs I run of my CGM data pretty well show the results, not only is my A1C almost to "normal" at this point, you can see the graph is clearly getting flatter as well, not just lower average but smaller deviation. The doc consistently says just keep doing what you're doing, it's working very well."

Don't you have an app that allows you to send that report you're bragging about to your Dr. and you would know what changes need to be made without going in. The point is you have an tool that allows that information for the ailment you have and not every patient has any kind of tool to give their doctor "a large report...."! Don't tell us how advanced you are because of a CGM.

Look at something like this and tell us it's all fine and nothing was done inappropriately, and all human lives were in their interest. https://issuu.com/oligotech/docs/543857539-cumulative-analysis-of-post-authorizatio

 

[Henro]

This is all old news. Covid is like the flu now. Nobody worries about it. Get your flu shot or get your Covid shot or get them both, or neither. Who cares? Nobody!

Can’t we move onto something more interesting like that new strain of oil eating microbes that have started to infect super UDT2 in Kubota tractors?

 

[DustyRusty]

I took my Kubota tractor to the Kubota tractor doctor, and it was vaccinated against the Super UDT oil-eating microbes. The tractor didn't complain about one iota, however, since my tractor didn't have a Kubota Health Insurance Plan I had to pay for the treatment out of pocket it took all the money in 2 pockets to pay for the vaccination. I don't mind because I love my Kubota tractor and will do whatever is necessary to keep it in good repair.

 

[rc51stierhoff]

I took my Kubota tractor to the Kubota tractor doctor, and it was vaccinated against the Super UDT oil-eating microbes. The tractor didn't complain about one iota, however, since my tractor didn't have a Kubota Health Insurance Plan I had to pay for the treatment out of pocket it took all the money in 2 pockets to pay for the vaccination. I don't mind because I love my Kubota tractor and will do whatever is necessary to keep it in good repair.

Did they make you put a brush guard on when you got there?

 

[NCL4701]

that new strain of oil eating microbes that have started to infect super UDT2 in Kubota tractors?

Oil eating microbes in SUDT2??? WTH, man? Is there a cure, or do we have to keep losing tractors while we wait for herd immunity?

Sorry. I tried to resist. Failed.

 

[wp6529]

If the ingredients in the covid vaccines had been twenty years in existence why was that information not available? Why was it determined no law suits can be filed for any adverse events? If those adverse events were problems with automobiles on the road there would be a recall and sales stopped quickly.

Your arrogant attitude is ozzing out with every post as demonstrated by this post, " For those of us who followed the weekly science updates published by the CDC and others this learning process was 100% clear and 100% transparent. It does require a certain level of education to understand the terminology in the science updates but you do not need to be a PhD to understand them."

Here's another one, "
Whether medical, auto, plumbing, etc. if you are naieve and blindly go to a service provider you will not be likely to get the best result. You have to be intelligent and do your own research to direct what you need done.

When I go to see my doc I do so armed with a large report of several months of daily data, my own analysis and thoughts on what we should do next. The graphs I run of my CGM data pretty well show the results, not only is my A1C almost to "normal" at this point, you can see the graph is clearly getting flatter as well, not just lower average but smaller deviation. The doc consistently says just keep doing what you're doing, it's working very well."

Don't you have an app that allows you to send that report you're bragging about to your Dr. and you would know what changes need to be made without going in. The point is you have an tool that allows that information for the ailment you have and not every patient has any kind of tool to give their doctor "a large report...."! Don't tell us how advanced you are because of a CGM.

Look at something like this and tell us it's all fine and nothing was done inappropriately, and all human lives were in their interest. https://issuu.com/oligotech/docs/543857539-cumulative-analysis-of-post-authorizatio

That is great example of the brain damaged drivel the conspiracy kooks claim "proofs" their ignorant beliefs.

Yes, I am arrogant on this subject since I as a rational, intelligent, educated person searched for and reviewed every piece of covid information I could find from reputable sources.

Every single day during the first year or so of the pandemic I did the research to determine the best actions to protect myself and my family. I saw and understood what was being learned about covid and exactly why the guidance changed based on the new information.

I knew what an MRNA vaccine was because I always seek out knowledge rather than "entertainment". While many were listening to "reality TV" or some other drivel I was listening to the Development of the Ebola vaccines and the early testing where they vax'd 8 of 16 monkeys, exposed them to Ebola and had 8 left alive - the vax'd ones.

The conspiracy theory followers consistently are of low intelligence, are easily wowed by technical terms even when used improperly and are enthralled with the idea that they are somehow privvy to information that most people do not have.

Those promoting conspiracy theories on the other hand are typically well educated in psycology and manipulation of the gullible to benifit their employers. Sadly the old "sucker born every minute" seems to be about every few seconds these days of failing schools and social media.

 

[jimh406]

It's ok if you want to believe you are right. It's ok for others to believe they are right as well. What wasn't right was not allowing people to make up their mind, and hiding information about real treatments.

It's also idiotic to force any vaccine on people that have no significant risk from the illness. Yet, that really happened, and some of those people died from the vaccine. It's not a conspiracy theory, but you do have to step outside your comfort zone to find it.

There were a lot of reasons to force vaccination on people. You can choose which ones you believe. Isn't it interesting that people who were kicked out of military for not getting vaccinated are now allowed back in.