Seems Ford in Oakville just announced TWO YEAR 'delay' in retooling to EV only production.......
..hmmm, anyone else see THAT coming ???
..hmmm, anyone else see THAT coming ???
my EV crystal ball was right, again
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Our "Pothole Pete" says they are absolutely great, and that soon,....... everybody will want them!
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Seems like they should be retooling to put in Cummins fuel agnostic engines or building something similar.
From what I hear Ford will be shutting down Oakville operations in 2030 as 'not profitable' due to re tooling the ev retooling to hybrids will cost too much. Only 3300 jobs there anyway.... EV sales in the toilet ,cost of batteries, recharge costs, very limited distance...
Current workforce(union guys..) will get 70% for next 2 years of holidays. Man,that'd be nice.... 70K to stay at home and twiddle my thumbs......
Current workforce(union guys..) will get 70% for next 2 years of holidays. Man,that'd be nice.... 70K to stay at home and twiddle my thumbs......
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I would love to have a nice new EV.WOW an EV hater... would have never guessed.
IF: I did not need to drive it when very hot....or very cold outside....
IF: somebody gave it to me....
And: If I had a nice new gas car for trips over 100 miles.
For the US members, who here gets USPS service with a FEV?
They could give me one reason to believe in EV, all post office vehicle must be full electric….
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Seems like some of the talking heads on YouTube reported that Ford was done with EVs late last year?
Myself, I see EVs as the future, so far in the future I won’t see it. As soon as EVs have to compete on a level playing field, it will be over for a while.
Myself, I see EVs as the future, so far in the future I won’t see it. As soon as EVs have to compete on a level playing field, it will be over for a while.
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Insulting people for not having YOUR OPINION on things is not the way this forum works.
Why don't you take a vacation for a couple weeks after you apologize to everyone!
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My wife and I looked at an EV. The first thing that turned us off was the price. Yet, I can say the same thing about ICE vehicles.
The reason we looked at one was because our niece has a Tesla and she really likes it and it has worked well for her.
Yet, after looking at them, seeing what it would take to be able to charge one at home and then watching multiple videos, we realized it would not be feasible for our usage/needs.
I would be interested in hybrid truck that would give us some of the benefits of the EV, but still maintain many of the advantages of the ICE engine, although with some compromise.
My opinion, which I know we all have one, is if the auto makers had went the hybrid route as heavy as the jumped into the EV route, the acceptance would of been much greater in hybrid and would of prepared people for the eventual/potential growth into EV.
The reason we looked at one was because our niece has a Tesla and she really likes it and it has worked well for her.
Yet, after looking at them, seeing what it would take to be able to charge one at home and then watching multiple videos, we realized it would not be feasible for our usage/needs.
I would be interested in hybrid truck that would give us some of the benefits of the EV, but still maintain many of the advantages of the ICE engine, although with some compromise.
My opinion, which I know we all have one, is if the auto makers had went the hybrid route as heavy as the jumped into the EV route, the acceptance would of been much greater in hybrid and would of prepared people for the eventual/potential growth into EV.
EV would work for the one vehicle the wife and I use for shopping. Typically, 50 miles at most, often just 20. But... a couple of times a year, we do 1,000 mile trips. So to make this feasible we'd need two to replace the one. I'd still have oil changes on the one and pay more dollars to Mr. Insurance, more storage issues and ..... net zero savings and actually much more expense.
I could almost get away with an E pickup but... it has to be able to do the 100 mile trip loaded and pulling an overloaded (not me, never) trailer. So...no E pickup.
I like my EGO leaf blower for clearing the garage, blowing leaves off of the roof or mulch off the sidewalk back into the garden bed (those pesky birds!). The Ego hedge trimmer is awesome, one change is longer than my arms can work for and I have yet to 'cut the cord' with it. As well as a quick trimming being easy with no extension cord to deal with. Nice and quiet.
Love the electric drills and other small battery hand tools. But I love the sound of my big SnapOn air gun zipping in the morning, sounds like victory!
EV vehicles will happen and be fully practical in my lifetime, I am sure. I know a scant 15 years ago, self driving cars was considered 40+ years out. Beat that time line PDQ. iRobot vacuums work so much better than manual vacuums, it is uncanny and less work. Whodda thunk? I am still waiting for the whole house French Maid--Oolala Fifi! Before I die, I betchya.
I could almost get away with an E pickup but... it has to be able to do the 100 mile trip loaded and pulling an overloaded (not me, never) trailer. So...no E pickup.
I like my EGO leaf blower for clearing the garage, blowing leaves off of the roof or mulch off the sidewalk back into the garden bed (those pesky birds!). The Ego hedge trimmer is awesome, one change is longer than my arms can work for and I have yet to 'cut the cord' with it. As well as a quick trimming being easy with no extension cord to deal with. Nice and quiet.
Love the electric drills and other small battery hand tools. But I love the sound of my big SnapOn air gun zipping in the morning, sounds like victory!
EV vehicles will happen and be fully practical in my lifetime, I am sure. I know a scant 15 years ago, self driving cars was considered 40+ years out. Beat that time line PDQ. iRobot vacuums work so much better than manual vacuums, it is uncanny and less work. Whodda thunk? I am still waiting for the whole house French Maid--Oolala Fifi! Before I die, I betchya.
For the record..
I do NOT hate EVs
As a 'concept car' they are a nice idea but they are not THE replacement to any ICE vehicle.
IF they were, Ford would have accelerated the retooling NOT delay it. Expert(Ford employee ) said retooling would only take 8 months not frag out for 2-3 years....
IF EVs were THE replacement, ALL manufacturers would have made millions of them by now. Higher volumes of 'things' REDUCES prices of those 'things'. I can buy a computer chip for $1, buy in lot of 10,000 , and they're 17 cents each.
IF EVs were THE replacement, out governments would be BUILDING the fast chargers, super stations, nukes in every backyard,millions of power lines, etc.We hear talk but no ACTION on this.
IF EVs were THE replacement, then entire fleets of delivery vehicles, service trucks, buses, cop cars,tractors, etc. would be seen everywhere.Don't SEE that happening here.
IF EVs were THE replacement, then they would go as far on a full battery as an ICE does on a tank of fuel, cost the same to fill up, carry the same amount of cargo, weigh in same as an ICE car, drive ANY time during the year with NO loss in MPG or comfort, cost less in a true 14 year life of the vehicle and be recycled better than an ICE vehicle.
....so I don't hate EVs but tired of the media, guv and others spouting that EVs ARE better. Clearly they
aren't.
About 5 years ago I did a 'Proof of Concept EV car. Simple really, rework a car alternator into a 3 phase motor. Electrically that was easy, the challenge for me was getting a $2 PIC microcontroller to 'spin the wheels' for various load conditions, with speeds up to 50 MPH.
I do NOT hate EVs
As a 'concept car' they are a nice idea but they are not THE replacement to any ICE vehicle.
IF they were, Ford would have accelerated the retooling NOT delay it. Expert(Ford employee ) said retooling would only take 8 months not frag out for 2-3 years....
IF EVs were THE replacement, ALL manufacturers would have made millions of them by now. Higher volumes of 'things' REDUCES prices of those 'things'. I can buy a computer chip for $1, buy in lot of 10,000 , and they're 17 cents each.
IF EVs were THE replacement, out governments would be BUILDING the fast chargers, super stations, nukes in every backyard,millions of power lines, etc.We hear talk but no ACTION on this.
IF EVs were THE replacement, then entire fleets of delivery vehicles, service trucks, buses, cop cars,tractors, etc. would be seen everywhere.Don't SEE that happening here.
IF EVs were THE replacement, then they would go as far on a full battery as an ICE does on a tank of fuel, cost the same to fill up, carry the same amount of cargo, weigh in same as an ICE car, drive ANY time during the year with NO loss in MPG or comfort, cost less in a true 14 year life of the vehicle and be recycled better than an ICE vehicle.
....so I don't hate EVs but tired of the media, guv and others spouting that EVs ARE better. Clearly they
aren't.
About 5 years ago I did a 'Proof of Concept EV car. Simple really, rework a car alternator into a 3 phase motor. Electrically that was easy, the challenge for me was getting a $2 PIC microcontroller to 'spin the wheels' for various load conditions, with speeds up to 50 MPH.
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The mail carrier in my area delivers the mail in their own 30yo beater that looks like its been in a couple demolion derbiesFor the US members, who here gets USPS service with a FEV?
They could give me one reason to believe in EV, all post office vehicle must be full electric….
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The only time I see a legit USPS vehicle in my area is Sunday Amazon deliveries. 
When all the police cruisers sitting on the side of the road collecting revenue are EVs, and the school busses are EV, and the Fire Chief/ Battalion Chief vehicles are EV...... I might think about one.
As a note- some PDs are doing pilot programs for EV ticket issuers. It is a perfect fit, really. For sitting 9.2 hours out of a 12 hour shift, and driving less than 100 miles, they beat idling a V8 all day.
As a note- some PDs are doing pilot programs for EV ticket issuers. It is a perfect fit, really. For sitting 9.2 hours out of a 12 hour shift, and driving less than 100 miles, they beat idling a V8 all day.
Somebody evidently forgot to tell Ford. They are building a new plant east of Memphis, slated to open in 2025 I think, to build electric vehicles.
From a recent article in the Memphis Commercial Appeal,
"The $5.6 billion BlueOval City campus is located in Stanton and includes the BlueOval SK battery plant, which will provide the EV batteries for Ford and Lincoln vehicle models, and Ford's Tennessee Electric Vehicle Center, which will help build out its next-generation electric truck."
This was announced after 12 years and $200mil+ was spent by the state to develop a speculative 'Megasite'.
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That is very positive news!
Ford reported that they LOST only $4.7 Billion last year.
Seems like they have the profit/loss issue well in hand.....NOT!
I'm no fan of EV's in their current state. I guess that some day they will improve to the point that I could be interested. Range, charging and fire hazards concern me. There's some information out there on the new Chevy Silverado electric truck that sounds as though they are headed in the right direction. It has over 400 miles of range.