Increasing L6060 loader and BH lift capacity

[Iguide]

How to increase Kubota L6060 1055 loader lift capacity and Backhoe 92 WITHOUT damaging my machine

The title says it all. The other day while working on a project for a friend I was working with a couple of other tractor brands, KIOTI & TYM. The KIOTI was a 48hp machine and the TYM 58hp Over the day I was noticing that both of those tractors were lifting larger and heaver loads than I was able to, also handling larger rocks with their BHs. So having my male ego bruised (You know cause I got the "best" tractor of the 3) at a break in the work I got to talking to those guys. While IMHO when looking at the other two I believed my tractor was the best designed made even though both of the KIOTI & TYM are nice pieces of equipment. They noticed these working facts also. We all dug out our operator manuals and low & behold mine was rated to lift the least at around 2300+- at the pins, the Kioti 2800+- , at the pins and the Tym 3700, again at the pins. Oops, was that embarrassing for my fragile male ego. I had the most expensive and the largest horse power and I could not perform like theirs could.

Which leads me to the title question How to increase Kabota L6060 1055 loader lift capacity and Backhoe 92, and I should ad WITHOUT damaging my machine. I've read about how to increase the hydraulic pressure by adding shims to each implement loader & BH. However that does leave me wondering are there other ways to accomplish this. I am really looking forward to this discussion. Because currently we seem to have the highest priced and larger horse powered tractor per size comparison ( more or less) but are the Weakest..

Let the discussion begin...... With Gusto......... Thanks, Wayne

 

[OntheRidge]

Trade it for an M62.

 

[Iguide]

Trade it for an M62.

That was neither helpful nor funny !!! Although I do understand the gest. Also I do use the tractor for many other things like brush hog, trail clearing, road maintenance, winter road clearing, logging never mind it involves more $ which are at a premium currently. So not really an option.

 

[hodge]

My thought, for what it's worth- it's how I process this consideration. There are more factors than just strength/lifting capacity. The more weight, the more stress. I am interested in both capability and longevity. I'd rather pace myself, and work within the limits of my machine, while at the same time knowing that I am not placing premature wear and stress on it. In my mind, it's not about current strength, but ability over the longest period of time. I'd rather have a weaker machine that will last 10 or 20% longer, than be the top dog.
I have a 1972 John Deere 310 backhoe. It's old, but it still runs well. Clearly, it is not as strong as newer commercial backhoes. However, it is also a $7000 machine. I could spend a whole lot more to get more done quicker, but given the price, and the relative low price of maintenance and operation (versus a new backhoe), I am satisfied with the balance. That example isn't apples to oranges, but it does exemplify my thought process.

 

[Iguide]

My thought, for what it's worth- it's how I process this consideration. There are more factors than just strength/lifting capacity. The more weight, the more stress. I am interested in both capability and longevity. I'd rather pace myself, and work within the limits of my machine, while at the same time knowing that I am not placing premature wear and stress on it. In my mind, it's not about current strength, but ability over the longest period of time. I'd rather have a weaker machine that will last 10 or 20% longer, than be the top dog.
I have a 1972 John Deere 310 backhoe. It's old, but it still runs well. Clearly, it is not as strong as newer commercial backhoes. However, it is also a $7000 machine. I could spend a whole lot more to get more done quicker, but given the price, and the relative low price of maintenance and operation (versus a new backhoe), I am satisfied with the balance. That example isn't apples to oranges, but it does exemplify my thought process.

Thank you for your response. I REALLY like your quote at the bottom of your post!!! Your way of doing things make a lot of seance and I used that philosophy in many instances. However my Kubota appears to be better built, more support thicker casting etc. So to have two machines that appear less engineered but obviously are not, and with lower spec's. be able to do more really makes me wonder what the thought behind that is and why.

 

[hodge]

Thank you for your response. I REALLY like your quote at the bottom of your post!!! Your way of doing things make a lot of seance and I used that philosophy in many instances. However my Kubota appears to be better built, more support thicker casting etc. So to have two machines that appear less engineered but obviously are not, and with lower spec's. be able to do more really makes me wonder what the thought behind that is and why.

The question would be is how long can they function at such higher capacities, without significant wear and tear? There may be a cost for such ambitious capabilities.

 

[Russell King]

Thank you for your response. I REALLY like your quote at the bottom of your post!!! Your way of doing things make a lot of seance and I used that philosophy in many instances. However my Kubota appears to be better built, more support thicker casting etc. So to have two machines that appear less engineered but obviously are not, and with lower spec's. be able to do more really makes me wonder what the thought behind that is and why.

In the engineering world there is a term called safety factor. You can use a safety factor of 1.0 if you are 100% sure of your calculations and of the material properties. But if you do that then a lot of people will break the design because they know engineers always over design things and therefore overload the design.

Not many engineers will use a safety factor of 1.0 since the value safety over material cost. And companies mandate safety factors to the engineers to avoid failures and bad press. Perhaps Kubota mandates higher safety factors than TYM and Kioti. That would result in lower lifting capability to meet safety factors and material cost level.

 

[MapleLeafFarmer]

so many opinions on this for sure but I guess the only one that matters is yours.

mine however is the 6060 is a tractor designed for horizontal pulling not for big vertical loading's
Bevelled gears?
front axles sized in anticipation of horizontal stresses not vertical loading?
light weight loader arms?
etc..?

makes me wonder if you want to increase vertical stress above engineered levels so you can play with the bigger boys what damage could be in your near future? Increasing pump pressure leads to what other type of failures?

 

[SDT]

How to increase Kubota L6060 1055 loader lift capacity and Backhoe 92 WITHOUT damaging my machine

The title says it all. The other day while working on a project for a friend I was working with a couple of other tractor brands, KIOTI & TYM. The KIOTI was a 48hp machine and the TYM 58hp Over the day I was noticing that both of those tractors were lifting larger and heaver loads than I was able to, also handling larger rocks with their BHs. So having my male ego bruised (You know cause I got the "best" tractor of the 3) at a break in the work I got to talking to those guys. While IMHO when looking at the other two I believed my tractor was the best designed made even though both of the KIOTI & TYM are nice pieces of equipment. They noticed these working facts also. We all dug out our operator manuals and low & behold mine was rated to lift the least at around 2300+- at the pins, the Kioti 2800+- , at the pins and the Tym 3700, again at the pins. Oops, was that embarrassing for my fragile male ego. I had the most expensive and the largest horse power and I could not perform like theirs could.

Which leads me to the title question How to increase Kabota L6060 1055 loader lift capacity and Backhoe 92, and I should ad WITHOUT damaging my machine. I've read about how to increase the hydraulic pressure by adding shims to each implement loader & BH. However that does leave me wondering are there other ways to accomplish this. I am really looking forward to this discussion. Because currently we seem to have the highest priced and larger horse powered tractor per size comparison ( more or less) but are the Weakest..

Let the discussion begin...... With Gusto......... Thanks, Wayne

Might want to check when the relief valves are relieving on your tractor, but I would NOT recommend shimming the valves to increase pressures beyond factory specifications.

 

[SDT]

so many opinions on this for sure but I guess the only one that matters is yours.

mine however is the 6060 is a tractor designed for horizontal pulling not for big vertical loading's
Bevelled gears?
front axles sized in anticipation of horizontal stresses not vertical loading?
light weight loader arms?
etc..?

makes me wonder if you want to increase vertical stress above engineered levels so you can play with the bigger boys what damage could be in your near future? Increasing pump pressure leads to what other type of failures?

Bingo.

 

[BBFarmer]

so many opinions on this for sure but I guess the only one that matters is yours.

mine however is the 6060 is a tractor designed for horizontal pulling not for big vertical loading's
Bevelled gears?
front axles sized in anticipation of horizontal stresses not vertical loading?
light weight loader arms?

Yes sir. Especially when considering what a M6060 or MX6000 can do vs an L6060.

When I was first considering getting our 3560, I was up at the dealer checking out the footprint of an L60 vs our 3301. Had to atleast make sure the thing could run down our blueberry lanes without mowin down bushes.

They had an L6060 with an 805 loader parked right next to an M6060 with a, I think, 1154 loader. Wow what a difference in footprint that M had over the L. And even an MX parked a few down had some decent size over the L.

Even with the consideration of all being roughly a 60hp machine, my lack of knowledge saw 3 totally different machines with the L being the runt of the litter.

 

[Iguide]

Might want to check when the relief valves are relieving on your tractor, but I would NOT recommend shimming the valves to increase pressures beyond factory specifications.

Ok. Why, please explain. I am really interested in you statement here because all over the internet and youtube that is the common fix it scheme. So I AM REALLY interested in what you know or think that I don't.

 

[Iguide]

Yes sir. Especially when considering what a M6060 or MX6000 can do vs an L6060.

When I was first considering getting our 3560, I was up at the dealer checking out the footprint of an L60 vs our 3301. Had to atleast make sure the thing could run down our blueberry lanes without mowin down bushes.

They had an L6060 with an 805 loader parked right next to an M6060 with a, I think, 1154 loader. Wow what a difference in footprint that M had over the L. And even an MX parked a few down had some decent size over the L.

Even with the consideration of all being roughly a 60hp machine, my lack of knowledge saw 3 totally different machines with the L being the runt of the litter.

Well you trying to compare oranges to pineapples. Never mind apples to oranges. They don't Fit. The M and MX are different class of tractors than the L60 series. The M & MX are utility tractors that are aimed at the farming market. Those are the runts as you will of that field. The L60 is Kubota's largest compact tractor. They are not meant for the same fields of work. They can cross design fields and work in each other specific fields but will not do so as readily as if they are worked in the field they were designed for. The M & MX have larger heavier frames and have larger loaders like the 1154, rather than the L6060 with the 1055 loader because of being designed for different work.

Strange that you saw an L6060 with an 805 loader on it as the 805 is designed to be matched with the L3560 & L4060. The 1055 loader is designed for the L6060 & L5460. So that is very strange indeed!!!

Another thing I do not think you understand (although I could have misunderstood what you wrote) Kubota has the L series of tractors and the L60 series otherwise know as the Grand L series. Two very different beast's with different features and some different design fields.

Why did I choose the smaller L60, because my land is heavily wooded, little amount of fields, narrow trails, need a BH. It meets my needs. The M of MX are to big for most of what I do.

However none of these answers deals with the original question. Why do smaller tractors of other brands out lift the Kubota's regardless of class and how do we if wanted to increase ours.

Oh I heard from a dealer that Kubota deliberately dials down the rates so there is less potential issues with warranty items. Which is interesting Because both Koiti & Tym have longer warranties than Kubota's. I have no idea about the validity of that statement...

 

[MOOTS]

Buy a gauge and check your pressures. My MX was a few hundred psi low of the given safe range. I adjusted to be on the higher end of the given range. No problems picking things up now.

 

[Iguide]

Thanks. That is one of actions I am considering...

 

[BBFarmer]

Well you trying to compare oranges to pineapples. Never mind apples to oranges. They don't Fit. The M and MX are different class of tractors the the L60 series. The M & MX are utility tractors that are aimed at the farming market. Those are the runts as you will of that field. The L60 is Kubota's largest compact tractor. They are not meant for the same fields of work.

Hey take it easy big guy, I meant no offense to you and yours.

This was my exact point and was agreeing with what mapleleaffarmer was saying. They are built for different tasks.

Strange that you saw an L6060 with an 805 loader on it as the 805 is designed to be matched with the L3560 & L4060. The 1055 loader is designed for the L6060 & L5460. So that is very strange indeed!!!

Well, this was TWO years ago when I was purchasing MY L60 tractor. If an 805 dont go on a 6060 then guess what.....I didn't see a 6060 then. Must've been a 4060 4760 whatever, again don't be offended. My point was the size difference between the L6060 and M6060 along with loader lift differences. Hell, I got a 555 loader on mine cause I don't do much loader work but aint gonna buy a tractor without a loader or 4wd.

Another thing I do not think you understand (although I could have misunderstood what you wrote) Kubota has the L series of tractors and the L60 series otherwise know as the Grand L series. Two very different beast's with different features and some different design fields.

You most definitely did misunderstand. And because I to own a Grand L and actually just very recently sold my Standand L, I know the EXACT difference. But, I take no offense. You didn't know that.

Why did I choose the smaller L60, because my land is heavily wooded, little amount of fields, narrow trails, need a BH. It meets my needs. The M of MX are to big for most of what I do.

I agree totally and exactly why I made the same decision. I'm own and operate a blueberry farm in southwest Mississippi. Several hundred bushes with rows 8 feet apart.....my L3560 barely fits. And the Grand L I went with was almost 30K less than what I actually needed.....the orchard specific M4N.

 

[McMXi]

The M & MX have larger heavier frames and have larger loaders like the 1154, rather than the L6060 with the 1055 loader because of being designed for different work.

True for the M but not true for the MX. The MX6000 and L6060 are comparable machines in terms of the loader and engine hp, but as you know, the L6060 has a lot more bells and whistles such as a more advanced transmission, better cab layout etc. The MX6000 is a more budget minded utility tractor that gives up quite a bit of luxury in exchange for a cheaper but equally capable tractor for most tasks.

To @BBFarmer's point, the M6060 and MX6000 are very different tractors despite having similar hp on paper. I think that's his point when you compare the L6060 vs. Kioti vs. TYM. Comparing them based on engine hp might not tell the whole story.

A Kioti RX7320 has been up for sale near me on and off for over a year. Asking price is $47k and it only has 23 hours on it. It's a model that I was considering around the time I bought the M6060, but the nearest parts and service facility is at least a 2 hour drive and that gave me second thoughts. The asking price for the 2022 model is very close to what I was quoted for an RX7320 back in July of 2021, and if I had lots of money to play with I'd have bought it just so that I could compare it to the M6060.

 

[BBFarmer]

To @BBFarmer's point, the M6060 and MX6000 are very different tractors despite having similar hp on paper. I think that's his point when you compare the L6060 vs. Kioti vs. TYM. Comparing them based on engine hp might not tell the whole story.

Yes sir. That was my main point, until I started rambling incoherently. All 60hp but boy the differences between them. Especially seeing that M6060, didn't realize the size difference up against a L6060. The M6060 is a sho nuff biggin lol.

 

[Iguide]

Hey take it easy big guy, I meant no offense to you and yours.

This was my exact point and was agreeing with what mapleleaffarmer was saying. They are built for different tasks.



Well, this was TWO years ago when I was purchasing MY L60 tractor. If an 805 dont go on a 6060 then guess what.....I didn't see a 6060 then. Must've been a 4060 4760 whatever, again don't be offended. My point was the size difference between the L6060 and M6060 along with loader lift differences. Hell, I got a 555 loader on mine cause I don't do much loader work but aint gonna buy a tractor without a loader or 4wd.


You most definitely did misunderstand. And because I to own a Grand L and actually just very recently sold my Standand L, I know the EXACT difference. But, I take no offense. You didn't know that.

I agree totally and exactly why I made the same decision. I'm own and operate a blueberry farm in southwest Mississippi. Several hundred bushes with rows 8 feet apart.....my L3560 barely fits. And the Grand L I went with was almost 30K less than what I actually needed.....the orchard specific M4N.

 

[JonM]

with out damaging your tractor... get a bigger tractor.

what isnt being told to you by these youtubers shilling for mahindra tym kioti etc is that those increased lifts are breaking loaders breaking frames putting machines and operators into very dangerous risk of tipping and rolling. they have no interest in telling you this as they are being paid to promote a product.

the loader limits kubota puts on the loaders and chasis are for your safety primarily and then the safety of your machine.