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Ray we are getting a bit off thread, but if you will allow me to add something on hand loads. I have sat in on 2 cases where the victim used hand loads in his/her CCW. And both time the bad guys lawyers made the point that they were trying to make a killer bullet instead of using factory loaded bullets. and made a big deal out of the fact they made their own loads, one of those,,, HUH :eek: WTF :confused: is he talking about moments. Anyway both cases, were tossed because the court felt the shootings were justified. So to avoid any more problems with CCW load factory when carrying!!

And yes a 10 will take deer if used within a reasonable range, how ever and I think someone may have mentioned this, and that is to make CERTAIN that the usage of a semi auto is legal to use in the pursuit of game animals in your state
 

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Brother Skeets brings up a very important point...

When choosing ammo for CCW, people involved in shootings who chose +P or +P+ were similarly cited for wanting to "cause more damage and potentially kill their victim by premeditated choice of a more powerful bullet."

Other than the Arizona requirement to use hollow points to prevent "overshoot" we always recommended using standard loads and hitting the center of mass first before the perp knew what was coming.
 

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The OP is asking about buying a G40 for hunting. Some of you are pretty far off in the weeds on this subject.

The beauty of the 10mm is the vast array of loads available, anything from 110gr to 220gr projectiles with velocities from 850-1800+ ft/s and muzzle energy nearly 800ft/lbs. You don’t get that range in a .40.
That is why many consider the 10mm a “reloaders caliber”.

The vast majority of factory produced 10mm loads on the market today are well below the original Norma specs. Comparing a single manufacturer’s low power 10mm load to higher power .40 and saying “there’s not much difference” between the two is misleading & not telling the whole story.

Now, that’s not to say that full power 10mm loads are not available commercially, because they are. One doesn’t necessarily have to be a reloader to enjoy full power 10mm Auto.

https://www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/cartridge_10mm-auto

http://www.doubletapammo.net/10MMAuto

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=1
 
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"Comparing a single manufacturer’s low power 10mm load to higher power .40 and saying “there’s not much difference” between the two is misleading & not telling the whole story. "

That is not what I intended to do. My point is, average factory loads should be compared to other comparable factory loads when comparing calibers. Comparing a stock Federal .40 JHP to a custom 10mm is just as irrelevant as doing the reverse. Apples to apples.

The OP asked about 10mm. A few other posters mentioned 10mm is great for reloaders. Great!

All I am saying is, if you want to reload into a higher power 10mm cartridge, do so with the proviso you just killed your guns warranty. And, if you ever sell that gun and do not disclose that is has shot hotter home loads, you may be found liable should someone be injured in the future. Not to rag on home loaders at all. Just pointing out some issues many do not consider.

Be safe out there.
 

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The OP is asking about buying a G40 for hunting. Some of you are pretty far off in the weeds on this subject.

The beauty of the 10mm is the vast array of loads available, anything from 110gr to 220gr projectiles with velocities from 850-1800+ ft/s and muzzle energy nearly 800ft/lbs. You don’t get that range in a .40.
That is why many consider the 10mm a “reloaders caliber”.

The vast majority of factory produced 10mm loads on the market today are well below the original Norma specs. Comparing a single manufacturer’s low power 10mm load to higher power .40 and saying “there’s not much difference” between the two is misleading & not telling the whole story.

Now, that’s not to say that full power 10mm loads are not available commercially, because they are. One doesn’t necessarily have to be a reloader to enjoy full power 10mm Auto.

https://www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/cartridge_10mm-auto

http://www.doubletapammo.net/10MMAuto

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=1
Quoted for truth.
.40s&w isn't even in the same league as 10mm, especially a 10mm cartridge I would hope someone would choose to use for hunting purposes. Underwood comes to mind as a top supplier with a wide selection of full power 10mm loads.


And LOL @ Trijicon being overpriced junk. :confused::rolleyes:
 

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Other than the Arizona requirement to use hollow points to prevent "overshoot"
Ray,
Having never heard of this as a requirement, (it is just common sense to me) would I be correct in assuming this is a LEO requirement?
 

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"Comparing a single manufacturer’s low power 10mm load to higher power .40 and saying “there’s not much difference” between the two is misleading & not telling the whole story. "



That is not what I intended to do. My point is, average factory loads should be compared to other comparable factory loads when comparing calibers. Comparing a stock Federal .40 JHP to a custom 10mm is just as irrelevant as doing the reverse. Apples to apples.



The OP asked about 10mm. A few other posters mentioned 10mm is great for reloaders. Great!



All I am saying is, if you want to reload into a higher power 10mm cartridge, do so with the proviso you just killed your guns warranty. And, if you ever sell that gun and do not disclose that is has shot hotter home loads, you may be found liable should someone be injured in the future. Not to rag on home loaders at all. Just pointing out some issues many do not consider.



Be safe out there.


You have to realize the that what you are calling the “average factory loads” are well below the original (and intended) Norma specs for the 10mm Auto. What you are referring to as “higher power” loads is actually closer to the original spec for 10mm.
The factories are selling detuned 10mm and you are assuming that is the standard. Going hotter is actually going closer to the original specifications. That’s why the article you linked is “Comparing a single manufacturer’s low power 10mm load to higher power .40”, which is not true “apples to apples”. Comparing two calibers that are both loaded to original specifications, is a better comparison as to the capabilities of each caliber.

Certainly any cartridge can be loaded beyond max but that’s not what I’m talking about here.
Just because a reloader, or the manufacturer’s that I listed, are loading higher power loads, doesn’t mean that they’re “killing a warranty” or trashing their firearm, they’re just bringing the load back to its original specs. Any firearms chambered in 10mm should be designed for the original Norma spec’d load.
 
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I mounted a Romeo 1 on my Sig 226. I first tried mounting it on top with the rear sight mount plate but I was not happy with that set up. Dot had to be too low to co-witness and IIRC, I couldn't get it to co-witness. So I milled it in and after some trial and error with aftermarket sights I got it to co-witness well. Just love that red dot! Also love that Sig!

Can't help you with the 10mm decision as I've never fired one. I do have a S&W 40 but I sure wouldn't take it hunting. Maybe never put the right ammo in it. Its a little erratic at the range.
 

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Bill,

AZDPS "highly recommends" hollow point ammunition for CCW to prevent accidents common with ball ammo, which often continues out the far side of the intended target and taps an innocent bystander. They want the round to stop in the first person it impacts.
 

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To get things really going...

It is still a plastic gun. If you are going to hunt with a hand gun (not really sure why...seems like a great way to wound an animal...not kill it...that is another debate)...get a real gun.

You know...like a 1911 from Nighthawk or Wilson...just sayin...:D
 

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To get things really going...

It is still a plastic gun. If you are going to hunt with a hand gun (not really sure why...seems like a great way to wound an animal...not kill it...that is another debate)...get a real gun.

You know...like a 1911 from Nighthawk or Wilson...just sayin...:D
A lot of slug zones let you use hand guns as well. With long deer seasons it's nice to pack a revolver along with your shotgun or 22 when going after birds or small game.
 

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A 10mm has more punch than a 40cal, but I do carry my 40cal. or even my wife's 38 but only to finish one off. Less damage than a .270.
 

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To get things really going...

It is still a plastic gun. If you are going to hunt with a hand gun (not really sure why...seems like a great way to wound an animal...not kill it...that is another debate)...get a real gun.

You know...like a 1911 from Nighthawk or Wilson...just sayin...:D
The Glock 40 M.O.S. (model, not caliber) has a factory 6" barrel and slide, and it's cut for a micro red dot like a Dr. Optic, Trijicon RMR, etc. etc.. All for less than $700.

And yeah around here, you can have a handgun on you for hunting purposes, during muzzle loader season, and there is a specific handgun season too. Caliber and muzzle velocity are strictly enforced.
 

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Yes the MOS model is the one I was looking at that is factory milled and has slots to mount a sight. I do reload but taking it above any of the published hard copy reloading spec books is a formula for early demise and I don’t do that. I have shot my single stage press reloads from all the 20+ calibers I reload for. I also have a Dillon 650 I use for some of those calibers but my hunting reloads are all individually weighed exactly. None of the factory ammo is that precise. Also, none of the guns I’ve bought have had anything in the paperwork about voiding the warranty by shooting reloads in them.... I was thinking the same bout trijicon being over priced and have had good luck with Leopold even though I know the parts and glass come mostly from Asia. I’ve never owned a Glock but have read some about the case bulge issues but if my dies fring them back to spec and I trim them to length I should get a few reloads outta each box I buy. I think some places frown on reloaded ammo because of some reloaders careless practice and wanting to push the envelope beyond what the book says. If I wanted to stick with a revolver I’d keep on using my super Blackhawk 44mag with the 10.5” bbl. I also have a s&w 40 but know the difference in ballistics between it and a 10mm is pretty big, per my reloading manuals. Georgia doesn’t have all the requirements other states do or even like they used to have on pistol hunting. I’d say that 50 yards would be pushing my max distance I’d attempt to take an animal at with a pistol anyway. I’d have my rifle as plan A for the hunt and the pistol as my “if I get the right opportunity “ gun. I am sorta a gun nut. Thx for the input and replies guys.
 

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Don't mean to beat a dead horse but, so we all know for sure... See item 5 below.

LIMITED ONE YEAR OPERATION WARRANTY

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From H&K...

ANY UNAUTHORIZED ALTERATION OR MODIFICATION OF THE FIREARM OR USE OF PARTS OR COMPONENTS NOT ORIGINALLY MADE BY HECKLER & KOCH INC. SHALL VOID THIS WARRANTY. HECKLER & KOCH INC. SHALL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY CLAIMS INVOLVING THIS FIREARM THAT RESULT FROM THE USE OF FAULTY, NONSTANDARD, REMANUFACTURED, OR RELOADED AMMUNITION OR AMMUNITION NOT MANUFACTURED TO NATO AND/OR SAAMI SPECIFICATIONS.

Ruger has no printed warranty. Smith & Wesson mentions "improper ammunition" and its your guess as to what that means.

Just because you reload does not mean you will have an issue that requires a factory warranty IF you pay attention and use good practices like Beaudene and others. BUT, if you have an issue that looks like it may have come from the ammo and its disclosed that you or someone else shot reloaded ammunition in that gun, you are likely on your own regarding repairs. Likely, any malfunction associated with bad ammo will be outside the warranty coverage, reloaded or factory.
 
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I own a ton (literally of firearms). No Glock's though. I find them astheticaly fugly.

I handgun hunt here in Michigan all the time. here in the lower and on my up north property. My handgun choice for hunting is either a Model 29 Smith, chambered in 44 RM with handloads or a Smith 460 XVR Performance Center Revolver, long barrel, braked. Carry them both in a crossdraw chest holster.

The 460 just makes the straightwall cartridge OAL for non muzzle loader hunting in the lower and Indiana as well.

I've considered a 450 Bushmaster but the 460 I already own and the ballistics are as good or better than the 450.

Besides, the 460 XVR will stop and game in North America and is acceptable for dangerous game in Africa if I had the money to hunt there.
 
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A lot of “advice” from people who aren’t educated about the 10mm Auto, don’t reload, or don’t shoot Glocks... but I guess that’s to be expected when a tractor forum is asked about firearms. ;)

While I agree that Glocks aren’t visually appealing (I’m not a Glock guy either), I also know that looks (and feel) is subjective to an individual’s taste and has no bearing on functionality. Durability & reliability are more important & (un)fortunately, the Glock is better suited for the original spec’d 10mm loads than most other platforms currently on the market.

I reread the thread also & didn’t see any mention of anyone recommending to load over published max load data so the apparent lawyers here can breathe a little easier.

Sounds like the OP has a good handle on everything & knows what he’s doing.
You’ll enjoy hunting/shooting your 10mm.
 

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I love 10mm's! I currently own 3 of them. A Dan Wesson CBOB, a Smith and Wesson 1076 and a EAA Match. Loaded to spec, a 10mm has a lot more punch then a .40 S&W. (BTW: for us 10mm fans, . 40 S&W stands for slow and weak:D)

A Glock G40 would work fine for hunting, with range limitations, or back country protection, I'm not sure about mounting optics on a semi auto pistol though. I think for optics, I'd be more tempted to use a revolver with a rib or other scope mount provisions. If you want a semi auto, you might also look at the Springfield XD in 10mm. They also hold 15 rounds.

A buddy on my deer lease rides a motor cycle and sometimes carries a Remington XP100 bolt action pistol in his saddle bag when he wants to shoot hogs. That might be an option for you.