OrangeKrush
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Engine Locked up on L3200
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If your engine locked up from lack of oil it's going to have problems. A locked idler, I'm assuming idler pully, if your engine has one, would not lock the motor up. It would just burn up the drive belt.
I am assuming they mean the camshaft idler, which also means the camshaft bearings and cam are also probably damaged. At 200 hrs that pretty much means a "like new" engine or rebuild.
If the engine was already loaded by the bush cutter, then it would not take a lot of additional load to stall the engine, so there might not be a lot of damage, but it will need to be totally gone through and checked.
If the engine was already loaded by the bush cutter, then it would not take a lot of additional load to stall the engine, so there might not be a lot of damage, but it will need to be totally gone through and checked.
new engine while it's still available
I'd be surprised if some of the tier 3 and lower (2, 1) diesels aren't being slowly phased out
why not rebuild? Because a new engine comes with a new block, crankshaft, rods, pistons, camshafts, injection pump, alternator, belt and a whole bunch of other stuff that is already used. Also takes a lot less time to swap an engine assembly than it does to remove one, totally rebuild it, source all the parts, wait for a machinest to do his thing, reassemble, and reinstall. Then hope that it's all done correctly. With a new engine, it takes a LOT of questions out of the deal.
I'd be surprised if some of the tier 3 and lower (2, 1) diesels aren't being slowly phased out
why not rebuild? Because a new engine comes with a new block, crankshaft, rods, pistons, camshafts, injection pump, alternator, belt and a whole bunch of other stuff that is already used. Also takes a lot less time to swap an engine assembly than it does to remove one, totally rebuild it, source all the parts, wait for a machinest to do his thing, reassemble, and reinstall. Then hope that it's all done correctly. With a new engine, it takes a LOT of questions out of the deal.
I just got back from the dealer. Looked at the block and the seized gear. Its the one that connects the crankshaft and the cam shaft. Cylinder walls were not scored. They had pulled the crank and it didn't show any scoring but one small scratch that would polish out. I had seen enough and told them I wanted a new motor. This dealership was been nothing but great in dealing with this. They said fine. Even offered to buy it back but I declined as its exactly what I need. The sad part is that they have to drill the block so it cannot be rebuilt. Kubota insists on this before they will send a new engine.
I would definitely recommend this dealer. They have been great and I understand why they would like to rebuild this engine and offered a two year warranty to go with that. Can't blame them.
Hate to see an engine go to waste... but you might have saved the next guy some headaches if their engine rebuild needed "more work" than what they did.
the epa requires it, not Kubota.
Yep one for one exchange. Same for nearly every mfg that used flex credits to keep producing "non compliment" engines.
GreensvilleJay
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I'd want the new engine on site BEFORE the old one was drilled.....!
Just cause the 'computers says 'they have one' doesn't MEAN it's really there....
I'm happy your dealer is being real nice about this,hopefully you'll be back in the fields soon.
Jay
Just cause the 'computers says 'they have one' doesn't MEAN it's really there....
I'm happy your dealer is being real nice about this,hopefully you'll be back in the fields soon.
Jay
whitetiger
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That is not going to happen. Until a picture of the 3/4" hole beside the serial number and one of the emissions tag are submitted to Kubota, the new engine can not even be shipped, PER the EPA.
GreensvilleJay
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considering the 'supply chain issues'
man I'd want it in writing, preferably in someone's blood, that the new engine exists BEFORE destroying my old block....I don't care IF the 'puter says '3 in stock'.....
man I'd want it in writing, preferably in someone's blood, that the new engine exists BEFORE destroying my old block....I don't care IF the 'puter says '3 in stock'.....
OrangeKrush
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BX2680, LA344 with Piranha tooth bar, LP PF 1242, LP Rear Blade, KK 60" BB
I know it's going to be a new motor but will it actually be put back exactly the way Kubota had everything oriented in the compartment? Splitting hairs here but I would want to make sure that there was some kind of extended warranty on work performed on it.
Just saying that they done some simple maintenance on it and look what happened.. who's to say that something doesn't quite get put back to exactly where it's suppose to go, be it a (wire harness or possibly fuel or hydraulic lines) and creates a problem down the road??
They sound like a good reputable dealer and more than likely would take care of you but it's worth looking into.. I know I would! Good luck with it and keep us posted.
Just saying that they done some simple maintenance on it and look what happened.. who's to say that something doesn't quite get put back to exactly where it's suppose to go, be it a (wire harness or possibly fuel or hydraulic lines) and creates a problem down the road??
They sound like a good reputable dealer and more than likely would take care of you but it's worth looking into.. I know I would! Good luck with it and keep us posted.
very good cause for concern, but I would be surprised if the same tech that does the maintenance is the same one that does the engine r&r. But I also do see these issues daily from other techs and backyard mechanics. My favorite line from customers is “I know someone that can do it cheaper”
Edit: I’m not dealing with tractors
That is a legitimate concern that you should take up with the people who make the laws.
Not that I've ever done this, or reccomend it, but the two holes are easily fixed by any competent machine shop....
truth
but the other side of the regulation is that the facility that is in charge of replacing/disabling the original engine is also required to document it's disposal. So once it hits the scrap bin, it has to stay there and then they have to keep up with the documentation of where the scrap went to.
they ain't playing
Its funny this only applies to non road engines (as far as I know…I’ve never had to destroy a non current emission road engine). Well except for cash for clunkers, I got paid to blow shit up
whitetiger
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I doubt any competent machine shop is going to repair a 3/4" hole drilled through a cylinder wall.
You've never used or worked for a competent machine shop then. I've seen wiped out main saddles on 3500 cats replaced with new metal, one off blocks from pulling tractors with holes through the side repaired and put back in service. Sure there's a limit of what can be repaired but a 3/4" hole in a cylinder and block isn't hard to repair. Not by any stretch of the imagination.