Electric vehicles will be cheaper to produce than gas cars by 2027: report

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Nothing 'new' actually, as every business is always trying to reduce input costs to maximize profit. While one stamping for the underbelly is faster than 5 or 6 pieces welded together, it's not like the ROBOTS get a longer lunch break ! Yes, the game is to make stuff faster(supposedly cheaper then ) BUT if all that does is fill up the parking lot faster with unsold cars, then you've lost.
There's a LOT of 'pencil pushing' to decide IF it's actually profitable to design a new part to replace a current one.'Little' details like what grade steel, what size rolls,need a 1M t press ?, production line for THAT stamping(bigger building ?),testing of course, 'integration' into the existing assembly line,probably dozens more like changing computer programs, safety protocols, etc.
In the end, it's the 'bottom line' that usually dictates IF a change is actually done. Shareholders want to see healthy dividends NOT unsold cars in the factory parking lot.
As for cheaper batteries,THAT is the bigger problem. The public is now finding out 'they' have lied (OK, skewed the numbers) as to the actual runtime capacity of batteries, the replacement costs and of course charging nightmares.
Do EVs have a place, sure,but not as THE one and only way to get around.
 

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I wouldn't believe anything promised by Elon Musk as he has a habit of making wild BS claims and he can't follow through. Tesla manufacturing isn't exactly the poster child for manufacturing efficiency and design for manufacturing.
 

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Might not hit his balls to the wall schedules, but he gets stuff done...

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One of my grandsons is a newly minted mechanical engineer, currently at the Tesla battery plant in Lathrop, CA.
He says that the corporate philosophy is very exciting, and promotes free thought.
 
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I wouldn't believe anything promised by Elon Musk as he has a habit of making wild BS claims and he can't follow through. Tesla manufacturing isn't exactly the poster child for manufacturing efficiency and design for manufacturing.
The whole Tesla phenomenon IS the "poster child" for vehicle manufacturing , distribution and service. Of course they "borrow" freely from the Chinese when needed. The major auto manufactures being publicly owned provide the data. Tesla like it or not is a dominant force globally.
 
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The whole Tesla phenomenon IS the "poster child" for vehicle manufacturing , distribution and service. Of course they "borrow" freely from the Chinese when needed. The major auto manufactures being publicly owned provide the data. Tesla like it or not is a dominant force globally.
Might not hit his balls to the wall schedules, but he gets stuff done...

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One of my grandsons is a newly minted mechanical engineer, currently at the Tesla battery plant in Lathrop, CA.
He says that the corporate philosophy is very exciting, and promotes free thought.
Let me guess...young white male?

Apparently if you don't fit that demographic it's not as nice of a place to work:
 

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Let me guess...young white male?

Apparently if you don't fit that demographic it's not as nice of a place to work:
Yup......"young white male" .....who is an honors graduate, from one of the most prodigious engineering schools in the USA.
VERY few employees DO fit THAT demographic......
 
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Even if an electric vehicle cost would be half that of an ICE, if you don't have enough places to plug them in what's the benefit?
 

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I had a customer recently tell me a auto dealer here in Maine said you can make the battery for one full EV or that same battery materal could be used produce 90 hybrid cars. EV's are a waste he said. We need to promote hybrids.
 

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EVs are like windmills......

super expensive to build
costly to maintain
lousy ROI

another 'great idea' on paper, but just on paper.
 
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theres two ways for things to get more expensive than competitive things.

(1) reduce the cost of the competition.
(2) make the original more expensive, often via regulation/"legislation".
 

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theres two ways for things to get more expensive than competitive things.

(1) reduce the cost of the competition.
(2) make the original more expensive, often via regulation/"legislation".
How about fads?

Do you remember these?
Mood rings
Pet Rocks
Microwave Ovens
Cabbage Patch Dolls
Beanie Babies
ENRON
Crocs
NFT's

Fads tend to have a hockey stick pattern for adoption. Low interest, then sudden popularity and high profits in a short term, then popularity dwindles and prices collapse.

When microwave ovens first came out they were 1.expensive and nobody wanted them. Then they 2.suddenly became popular and everyone bought one and prices soared. 3.Now they are ubiquitous and you can buy one at wallymart dirt cheap. They are now 4. a margin item and nobody is getting rich selling them. Tesla is at stage 2.

Speculators/smart money gets rich when they gamble and buy at stage 1. and sell out at stage 2. Suckers buy in at stage 2. and sell out at stage 4.
 
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