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[McMXi]

Im surprised there’s not information as the drawbars holes can’t be for weight reduction and even if they did make a longer drawbar, these engineers could calculate the reduction for the spec sheet.
Am I missing the purpose of 3 holes in the drawbar ?

This might help. The piece bolted to the drawbar is called a hammer strap. The two smaller holes are for the bolts that secure it to the drawbar. When towing off the drawbar, Kubota recommends using the hole nearest to the end of the bar (shown on the left).

I started a thread last year that got me going down a rabbit hole.

Implements that pull on the drawbar and the world of good enough.

I bought a very well used Schafer disc harrow a couple of years ago for $1,200 and used it last summer on part of a new driveway project. It worked well but it was very sloppy on the drawbar. The coupler is worn out and I don't like the lack of a good jack (don't care for the current set up...

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[Wooddog63]

This might help. The piece bolted to the drawbar is called a hammer strap. The two smaller holes are for the bolts that secure it to the drawbar. When towing off the drawbar, Kubota recommends using the hole nearest to the end of the bar (shown on the left).

I started a thread last year that got me going down a rabbit hole.

Implements that pull on the drawbar and the world of good enough.

I bought a very well used Schafer disc harrow a couple of years ago for $1,200 and used it last summer on part of a new driveway project. It worked well but it was very sloppy on the drawbar. The coupler is worn out and I don't like the lack of a good jack (don't care for the current set up...

www.orangetractortalks.com

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Nothing wrong with going down a few rabbit holes- great posts McMXi
Going back and rereading your thread above on the loading got me thinking. Your so over the target with the math looking like it works but can those 3 point loads handle the stresses is the elephant on the tractor.
So taking your points ,I’m going to look at bolting 2 16” long matching piece flat stock with that stock 26” draw bar sandwich in between and extend it the 6-8” creating a U shape throat that could be filled solid with stock and welded, plated the end and bolt your Pintle idea onto it. Now the Berkleman connects with its swivel and all the tractors center pull energy would be equal. Now the tractors pivot with trailer is a few degrees over the 90 degrees point. Thanks again for the trouble shoot- Won’t be the first time I put warranty on the line and I can tell you’ve done the same
You should post the info on a new thread as your knowledge can articulate more confident -it would be interesting to see responses

 

[Mundra]

i am jumping in here to say I’ve looked at the bx and even kioti and came to realize a bigger tractor for us on 2 acres+ we should go with a B2601 with loader and belly mower. I read go one size bigger and after research I think the jump is worth it. As others stated sticker shock going bigger but hopefully the saying buy once cry once will stay my motto!

 

[Wooddog63]

Nothing wrong with going down a few rabbit holes- great posts McMXi
Going back and rereading your thread above on the loading got me thinking. Your so over the target with the math looking like it works but can those 3 point loads handle the stresses is the elephant on the tractor.
So taking your points ,I’m going to look at bolting 2 16” long matching piece flat stock with that stock 26” draw bar sandwich in between and extend it the 6-8” creating a U shape throat that could be filled solid with stock and welded, plated the end and bolt your Pintle idea onto it. Now the Berkleman connects with its swivel and all the tractors center pull energy would be equal. Now the tractors pivot with trailer is a few degrees over the 90 degrees point. Thanks again for the trouble shoot- Won’t be the first time I put warranty on the line and I can tell you’ve done the same
You should post the info on a new thread as your knowledge can articulate more confident -it would be interesting to see responses

I can’t see how this modification could not be a safe application to extend that drawbar

 

[McMXi]

I can’t see how this modification could not be a safe application to extend that drawbar

When you refer to T&T, are you talking about top 'n tilt which is Kubota's term for an hydraulic top link and hydraulic lift arm or do you mean a QuickHitch such as a QH10 or QH16? It seems to me that you're talking about a QuickHitch and that's what you show in your drawing above.

Personally, if I were buying the trailer you selected, I would leave the QH off, support the top link with the factory hook, and raise the lower links up as high as necessary to clear the tongue, and tow the trailer with the drawbar.

 

[Speed25]

The beauty of our orange tractors is that the resale is so strong! I opted for a larger tractor to start with to get some bigger work done that would mainly be a one-time thing. A few years later with the big work done, I sold the tractor for what I bought it for new. Then I went to the right-size tractor for me. I could've just bought the BX to start with, but it was really the wrong tool for the job and would've taken much longer. A few hours of my time to sell and buy, but well worth it.

 

[Wooddog63]

When you refer to T&T, are you talking about top 'n tilt which is Kubota's term for an hydraulic top link and hydraulic lift arm or do you mean a QuickHitch such as a QH10 or QH16? It seems to me that you're talking about a QuickHitch and that's what you show in your drawing above.

Personally, if I were buying the trailer you selected, I would leave the QH off, support the top link with the factory hook, and raise the lower links up as high as necessary to clear the tongue, and tow the trailer with the drawbar.

Sorry new on the Tractor terms and did not clarify- I’ve got some physical issues and my impression was with the Top and Tilt I could attach the quick hitch to make rear implements easier and control a rear grader pitch with out physically getting off tractor and manually making the adjustments. Not looking for speed as much as ease. That caused the drawbar issue with out having to remove that quick hitch but circle back to your numbers I would not want to pull that BW trailer loaded off the 3 point hitch connected to the QH with a trailer ball assembly . With no data you shook me to reality on that one. But , I feel you sandwich plate the top and bottom of that draw bar so there’s an extension, I’d be a little hard pressed to think that would cause any additional stress on the connection from draw bar to tractor or the transmission by the equal extensions of the drawbar . But that’s why I’m here is to learn by people with a lot more experience than I have.

 

[bobnic]

Sorry new on the Tractor terms and did not clarify- I’ve got some physical issues and my impression was with the Top and Tilt I could attach the quick hitch to make rear implements easier and control a rear grader pitch with out physically getting off tractor and manually making the adjustments. Not looking for speed as much as ease. That caused the drawbar issue with out having to remove that quick hitch but circle back to your numbers I would not want to pull that BW trailer loaded off the 3 point hitch connected to the QH with a trailer ball assembly . With no data you shook me to reality on that one. But , I feel you sandwich plate the top and bottom of that draw bar so there’s an extension, I’d be a little hard pressed to think that would cause any additional stress on the connection from draw bar to tractor or the transmission by the equal extensions of the drawbar . But that’s why I’m here is to learn by people with a lot more experience than I have.

Lengthening the drawbar does increase the bending moment in the draw bar back at the attachment to the tractor due to the tongue weight. Whether or not this would be high enough to bend the draw bar or cause any damage to the attachment at the tractor might be something to consider. Depending on the terrain driven over, the tongue weight can bounce up and down quite a bit.

 

[Wooddog63]

Lengthening the drawbar does increase the bending moment in the draw bar back at the attachment to the tractor due to the tongue weight. Whether or not this would be high enough to bend the draw bar or cause any damage to the attachment at the tractor might be something to consider. Depending on the terrain driven over, the tongue weight can bounce up and down quite a bit.

Thank you for the response - your right with

 

[Wooddog63]

Thank you for the response - your right with

Hit to early , your right with MCMXI concerns- some things to consider

 

[McMXi]

Sorry new on the Tractor terms and did not clarify- I’ve got some physical issues and my impression was with the Top and Tilt I could attach the quick hitch to make rear implements easier and control a rear grader pitch with out physically getting off tractor and manually making the adjustments. Not looking for speed as much as ease. That caused the drawbar issue with out having to remove that quick hitch but circle back to your numbers I would not want to pull that BW trailer loaded off the 3 point hitch connected to the QH with a trailer ball assembly . With no data you shook me to reality on that one. But , I feel you sandwich plate the top and bottom of that draw bar so there’s an extension, I’d be a little hard pressed to think that would cause any additional stress on the connection from draw bar to tractor or the transmission by the equal extensions of the drawbar . But that’s why I’m here is to learn by people with a lot more experience than I have.

You're correct that T&T allows you to make quick and easy adjustments to the orientation of an implement, and in combination with a QH it makes connecting to implements about as easy as can be.

I'm not liking the idea of lengthening the drawbar. As @bobnic said, it increases the length of the lever which has two possible downsides. The load from the trailer will impart more force on the tractor where the drawbar is connected to the tractor, and also it'll put more of a bending moment on the drawbar itself.

 

[Wooddog63]

You're correct that T&T allows you to make quick and easy adjustments to the orientation of an implement, and in combination with a QH it makes connecting to implements about as easy as can be.

I'm not liking the idea of lengthening the drawbar. As @bobnic said, it increases the length of the lever which has two possible downsides. The load from the trailer will impart more force on the tractor where the drawbar is connected to the tractor, and also it'll put more of a bending moment on the drawbar itself.

I found these interesting -The first photo shows tractors drawbar chained link behind to the 3point tow bar. Problem is what are they towing weight wise

 

[Wooddog63]

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I found this interesting

 

[Blue2Orange]

Relatively HOT topic. Just back from the dealer to drop off the check. And... I shouldn't have taken a peak at the used implements. Bigger check. Waiting for the skid plates. The exposure of the BX2380 hydro cooling fan has me concerned.

Own a 40. Based on the chart I have been using an undersized NH. Now couple sizes smaller Kubota is coming. 99% of the 40 is covered in a mix of hardwood and some conifer. Realistically I have a ~1200 foot gravel driveway to maintain and less than 2 miles of ~ 10ft wide trail. Never had an issue with the NH being undersized. At least I can now trailer it if needed to on my 1ton capacity trailer. Time will tell.

NH has a drawbar with a 2" ball to pull a trailer and move a small sailboat in and out of storage. Noticed the BX2380 only has a plate with a hole to attach a ball. Couple issues. Too low a position. Wonder if enough lateral clearance when turning a tight corner. I guess I should have bought a larger Kubota.
Thinking might need a 3 Pt receiver unit. The bugger might be finding one where I can use the rear QH. If not just the "slow hitch" attachment. Will eventually need to replace those turnbuckle stabilizer arms. Not a good design concept.

 

[bobnic]

Relatively HOT topic. Just back from the dealer to drop off the check. And... I shouldn't have taken a peak at the used implements. Bigger check. Waiting for the skid plates. The exposure of the BX2380 hydro cooling fan has me concerned.

To protect the hydro cooling fan in my BX2370 when I take it into the woods, I have an Under Armor Skid Plate from Bxpanded.com. You definitely do not want to have a stick get up into that fan as that is a major pita to replace.

 

[McMXi]

I found these interesting -The first photo shows tractors drawbar chained link behind to the 3point tow bar. Problem is what are they towing weight wise

I think I might know the answer to one of those photos since it's my tractor in the first photo.

 

[Wooddog63]

I think I might know the answer to one of those photos since it's my tractor in the first photo.

That’s The best!! You made my birthday week!!

 

[Speed25]

NH has a drawbar with a 2" ball to pull a trailer and move a small sailboat in and out of storage. Noticed the BX2380 only has a plate with a hole to attach a ball. Couple issues. Too low a position. Wonder if enough lateral clearance when turning a tight corner. I guess I should have bought a larger Kubota.
Thinking might need a 3 Pt receiver unit. The bugger might be finding one where I can use the rear QH. If not just the "slow hitch" attachment. Will eventually need to replace those turnbuckle stabilizer arms. Not a good design concept.

I opted for the Ai2 rear hitch receiver and a 6" rise hitch. Trailer is nice and level when towing, and it spaces the ball far enough away from the back tires that I'm less likely to hit the trailer with the back tires in really tight turns. To be fair though, I don't use a 3-pt on the rear for anything.

 

[Blue2Orange]

Thanks for a good solution. Just ordered a Heavy Hitch version for a net $125.01. Hopefully from the Rochester, MN manufacturing facility and not a Made in... with kubota orange powder coating and HH name plate.

Ignorant is my middle name. Have a spare 6" drop 2" hitch. Can I just flip it upside down for a 6" rise? Made in USA Curt heavy duty hitch.

 

[Wooddog63]

That’s nice as it’s bolted to the chassis- the problem with the MX and concerns McMxi brought up is that 3 point hitch engineered to pull 9800 lbs off a QH