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Daren, those articles contain some useful information, but I don't agree with the spin put on them by the titles. Mixing up means confusing to me, but nevertheless combining the two test types is not helpful. Of course it depends on what question is being asked. If the pres asks how many tests are being done, total, then that's the number you give. Otherwise not good science. If the data coming from some states has the numbers already combined, the CDC or anyone can't uncombine the serology and the pcr data. Hopefully the states will do a better job and keep them separate from now on.The CDC has been all over the place. Where a mask, dont wear a mask. Same with Asymptomatic people spreading the disease, not spreading it. Constantly contradicting themselves on what to do.
They are accounting antibody tests as well as regular tests as positive cases.
CDC acknowledges mixing up coronavirus testing data
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledged Thursday that it is combining the results from viral and antibody COVID-19 tests when reporting the country’s testing to…thehill.com
Lying about tests results.
The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers
The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers, Fake death data, CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clockcanadafreepress.com
More lumping of test results.
How Virginia Juked Its COVID-19 Data
The state is combining results from viral and antibody tests in the same statistic. This threatens to confound America’s understanding of the pandemic.www.theatlantic.com
As for the opinion of the physician in a small town, her third paragraph tells how it is:
"The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. "
You can not like how it is done, but they aren't lying. The forms to be submitted on someone's death include separate blanks for the possible things involved in someone's death. I posted links to the death certificate form some time ago, and also the CDC directions as to how to fill it out, but here is an opinion from Dr Nigel Paneth, an epidemiologist in Michigan in response to my question.
Every death gets a death certificate and a physician must certify immediate, underlying and contributory causes of death. These data are tabulated at the county and state level before being sent anywhere. CDC probably amalgamates state data.
He goes on to say
"This has been done this way for decades, with astonishingly stable and consistent death rates from many things. It is impossible to game this system without a massive conspiracy requiring thousands of state and county officials to collaborate.
Underlying diagnosis is used for the final diagnosis. Everyone in public health suspects undercounts because of people who die outside of hospitals, false negative tests, etc. NYC found 3,000+ deaths after careful investigation that were not recorded as COVID on the death certificate. "
My personal opinion is that there are no doubt errors. Undercounts and overcounts. Is there spin? Good grief yes, just look at the titles and compare with what you'd write about the same data. Look at your local data. I have just found out that the Johns Hopkins website takes the data from states directly so that is another means of double checking what you read. I have, and my conclusion is that we have a real problem.
It ain't over yet unfortunately. That mortality number keeps changing, that number goes up and the population could go down, absent compensating births. So the fraction will change.
You know that the old saying, to paraphrase; "it doesn't matter how many people vote, it only matters who counts the vote."
This also applies to CV19 testing and the compilation of those tests. It only requires a computer and a person with an agenda. Conspiracy theory? I don't think so, but you're a little naive because you chose to believe yourself instead of factual information that spiking the data indeed IS OCCURING.
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Thank you. Wife got 3 nice Ribeye's which I grilled last night on the grill. Had some chocolate cake for dessert.
Glad there were no candles, don't believe I could blow 70 out. Too hot anyway.
Wasn't bad. I'm a purist when it comes to grilling outside. No propane grill for me and no charcoal briquette's either. I'm a chunk charcoal person and start it with a wad of newspaper in a chimney firestarter. Takes a bit of time but the end result is always good.
Did potato slices with onions in butter wrapped in foil along with the steaks.
Potatoes and onions from the garden of course, Salad with cukes' lettuce and zucchini slices from the patch too.
Going to have a ton of Ambrosia sweet corn soon. All tassled out and making cobs. 2 100 foot long rows.
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Happy Birthday Flip! Sounds like a delicious meal, but I guess you farm guys always eat better than us city boys!
Steaks came from Kroger, wife ordered them on he 'click-list' order. She really likes that. You order online and they give you a pick up date and time. You go to the store and park in the designated spot and call them on your cell phone and they bring the order out and put it in your trunk. Meat has really went up, 35 bucks for 3 Ribeye's but they were good. Good birthday present for me. I was happy and full.
One thing she likes about the click-list. If they don't have what you want, they substitute something similar and if the substitute costs more, you still get the original price.
Everyone around here uses it.
How we discovered Dearborn weiners. She asked for Kogels and they substituted. The Dearborn's are better.
One thing she likes about the click-list. If they don't have what you want, they substitute something similar and if the substitute costs more, you still get the original price.
Everyone around here uses it.
How we discovered Dearborn weiners. She asked for Kogels and they substituted. The Dearborn's are better.
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Ray, what that nurse reports is absolutely unbelievable! Clean up the room after a Covid patient and not even mop the floor. If they are Medicare or Medicaid, quick to get them on a ventilator....money in their pocket!
Probably won't be on YouTube long, they'll have to purge that. But it demonstrates why so many distrust the numbers and information being spewed out. It is extremely difficult when falsehoods are stated, then to cover that with something else when it's exposed. It just gets worse and worse.
Probably won't be on YouTube long, they'll have to purge that. But it demonstrates why so many distrust the numbers and information being spewed out. It is extremely difficult when falsehoods are stated, then to cover that with something else when it's exposed. It just gets worse and worse.
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What keeps public health people awake at night are the odd things about covid illness, ones that we don't know anything about in the sense that they do not occur routinely. In this summary article there are a couple of papers written by pathologists that have examined autopsy specimens and found microclots in brain lung kidney, did not find what would be expected in the heart from myocarditis, and did find lots of a cell type involved in platelet formation in the wrong places. Platelets are involved in clot formation. The article has live links to the original papers so you can read those.
UMMM, 99.96% survival rate? You can't survive something you haven't been infected with. Survival rate is 95.72%. Sure, the math is correct but the interpretation of the medical term 'survival rate' is way off. Survival rate is the number of people who recover divided by the number of people who were infected. The fact that they got this wrong makes me dubious that they had the best of intentions with that graphic. Numbers can be used to scare people, but they can also be used to give you a false sense of security. Regardless, I wish all my neighbours to the south the best of health and economic recovery during these difficult times.
Not at all. If anything it is way off the other way.
We KNOW that over 50% never present any symptoms at all (and this is only on the ones they could test, most that had no symptoms would have no reason to get tested). So the number that have "had covid" is much higher. Making the surviving rate that much higher as well.
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