COVID-19 Stuff

[twomany]

I think everyone here should turn off the tv, stop reading propoganda online (on both sides) and just live life, and use basic common sense. If you are scared of covid - then wear a mask everywhere, keep your distance, take precautions when around crowds. If you are not worried about covid then dont wear a mask if not required, go on with life, but dont bother those who are more fearful. Let everyone do what they feel is best for them. I have opinions on the subject and ive stated them here, but Im perplexed at the constant back and forth page after page trying to convince or prove something to those who disagree. None of you are going to change the others minds. Much of these differences are rooted in perspective of the individual, which is largely filtered through personality differences and a lifetime of reinforcement in a certain world view. Everyday I check in on this thread its more medical studies on masks or some news story to try and further your points. No minds will be changed here. All of you are beating your head into a brick wall. Save yourself the stress and annoyance.

But But but Tornado, If I turn off the NEWS, even for a second, the Chi Com Flu will just disappear, or will have never appeared in the first place.
I still have not encountered a single person who has or had the virus flu this year since last December.

;-)

 

[twomany]

Actually, I feel that opposition to the "health mandates are essential based on statistics alone.

The yet unseen damage that all this fear is causing is not something I can take lightly. Imagine a generation that lives in fear of killing their grandparent by their mere presence.

Tip of the ice berg , We are truly screwed., and we need to stand up against the idiocy.

 

[sheepfarmer]

I have been considering asking bearbait (it is his thread) about shutting it down, along with ALL the threads with a political slant to them. I believe he and I were enjoying posting occasional bits of good news and information but all I am finding out is just how many forum members are completely incapable of expressing an opinion without denigrating anyone who thinks differently. They are just plain mean in their speech. Sleddog and motionclone were tossed out of this thread a long time ago and started their own covid thread, but continue to post here.

I used to feel about forum members that they were all great guys, people who would go out of their way to help you, people I'd be delighted to have stop by my farm. I don't feel that way any more. I am interested in hearing other points of view, but it has to work both ways. It is really hard not to sink to that level of nastiness. Mr K a long time ago posted guidelines that included avoiding heavy political posts. Do read that sticky if you haven't. This is an international forum. It's general characteristics were to be polite and helpful in solving people's tractor problems. American politics may not be of general interest abroad, but even if it were, the general nasty tone of some folks in this thread would discourage them from discussing covid in their countries. We could learn a lot from them. Too bad.

 

[NHSleddog]

Sheep,

Perhaps, if you don't like a thread, don't visit it? You don't have to sensor others opinions not to be exposed to them, simply don't read them. I know that is isn't actual censorship so it would fall short of your goals but it would keep you from seeing posts and links to content you don't like. I disagree with most of your posts but I don't think we should censor you.

I have been called names, wished disease on me AND my family etc. (IN THIS THREAD) Is that what you are talking about?

I don't think we should start censoring content because someone called me names.

 

[NHSleddog]

Actually, I feel that opposition to the "health mandates are essential based on statistics alone.

The yet unseen damage that all this fear is causing is not something I can take lightly. Imagine a generation that lives in fear of killing their grandparent by their mere presence.

Tip of the ice berg , We are truly screwed., and we need to stand up against the idiocy.

I actually have a good friend living in AZ that just died of "covidcancer".
He was in hospice since Feb. He got covid in April. They put him on a ventilator at the end of June. He died two days ago and it is listed as a covid death. His wife is pissed.

 

[Tornado]

I have been considering asking bearbait (it is his thread) about shutting it down, along with ALL the threads with a political slant to them. I believe he and I were enjoying posting occasional bits of good news and information but all I am finding out is just how many forum members are completely incapable of expressing an opinion without denigrating anyone who thinks differently. They are just plain mean in their speech. Sleddog and motionclone were tossed out of this thread a long time ago and started their own covid thread, but continue to post here.

I used to feel about forum members that they were all great guys, people who would go out of their way to help you, people I'd be delighted to have stop by my farm. I don't feel that way any more. I am interested in hearing other points of view, but it has to work both ways. It is really hard not to sink to that level of nastiness. Mr K a long time ago posted guidelines that included avoiding heavy political posts. Do read that sticky if you haven't. This is an international forum. It's general characteristics were to be polite and helpful in solving people's tractor problems. American politics may not be of general interest abroad, but even if it were, the general nasty tone of some folks in this thread would discourage them from discussing covid in their countries. We could learn a lot from them. Too bad.

I understand your sentiments, and is why I just havent posted much in this thread. I just dont care to beat a dead horse - I stated my opinion on the covid issue several pages back, and I feel no need to keep reinforcing that opinion over and over again. One of the best things Ive been able to learn as I grow older, and I contribute these lessons largely to my volume of reading and time spent in contemplation, is that I can be ok and walk away now when people strongly disagree with me. Used to I struggled with that. I felt this drive to make people understand why they were wrong - and I was very good at debating a point and driving it into the ground. Its been one of the more freeing aspects to broadening my perspective. My convictions and world view are largely the same, but my understanding of the bigger picture has vastly increased. I don't need you to agree with me. I am not insecure in my world view. I state my opinion and then I move on, much as I did here in this thread.

What you are seeing though really are folks who are entrenched in a position and viewpoint and feeling a necessity to prove each other wrong. Listening to respond, not listening to understand. The overall approach to the issue has become more aggressive, and that will only serve to entrench each side further in their own viewpoints. No minds will be changed here. This was largely my point. No matter how backwards you think someone is, berating them and going on the offensive nonstop will not win you anything. I disagree with some of you sharply on your assessment of the covid 19 issue, but I will not berate you for disagreeing with me - You are entitled to hold your opinion and I can be ok walking away with that. I just don't care to vent my frustrations at societies idiocies into an online space anymore. I realize how pointless it is. It only serves to make the person posting become bitter and angry. One of the best lessons I learned in the last 10 years is being able to read something I strongly disagree with, shake my head, but then hit the little X at the top right of the window and walk away and go do something more fulfilling. I wasn't always able to do that.

 

[bearbait]

I have been considering asking bearbait (it is his thread) about shutting it down, along with ALL the threads with a political slant to them. I believe he and I were enjoying posting occasional bits of good news and information but all I am finding out is just how many forum members are completely incapable of expressing an opinion without denigrating anyone who thinks differently. They are just plain mean in their speech. Sleddog and motionclone were tossed out of this thread a long time ago and started their own covid thread, but continue to post here.

I used to feel about forum members that they were all great guys, people who would go out of their way to help you, people I'd be delighted to have stop by my farm. I don't feel that way any more. I am interested in hearing other points of view, but it has to work both ways. It is really hard not to sink to that level of nastiness. Mr K a long time ago posted guidelines that included avoiding heavy political posts. Do read that sticky if you haven't. This is an international forum. It's general characteristics were to be polite and helpful in solving people's tractor problems. American politics may not be of general interest abroad, but even if it were, the general nasty tone of some folks in this thread would discourage them from discussing covid in their countries. We could learn a lot from them. Too bad.

Thanks sheepfarmer but I never did think of it as my thread, I thought of it as ours as in the forums. I'll go with what the majority decides. Although I do agree and have been guilty of taking jabs which I regret. I still believe it still can be a great source of information but I'll go with whatever everyone wants.

 

[Tornado]

I think the moderators have done a good job letting it continue personally. I shared this once before in another thread but I ran an online community site with forums like this one years ago . It was centered around Cameras and Photography rather than tractors, but it had a really active forum community like this. I owned and operated the whole site out of my own pocket for a little over 2 years. Ultimately I shut it all down as I just got burned out. It became a full time job outside of my normal full time job. I say all that to just say that moderating a community is much more challenging that people realize. You get castrated no matter which way you go on things. If you shut down a thread then ppl blast you for censorship. If you let it go on unrestrained then you get people complaining to you privately that you're just ignoring personal attacks and aggression, or even condoning it by your inaction. I would then try to reach out to the people causing all the problems and try to reason with them, get them to calm down. That often turned into a nightmare as well, as they then wanted to debate me in PM's, then often turn against me when I didn't bend. Then cliques form, and I actually had one clique try to overthrow the whole community one time. Managing people, especially over the internet, is a nightmare. I do think however that you fare much better when you arent constantly showing a heavy hand everywhere shutting everything down. MOST issues will kinda fade on their own with some light management and steering. But, its good that the community is lively and posting a lot. Going heavy handed will ultimately kill the community. I do think that there is a more mature bunch here in this community though than what I was dealing with. The user base here is almost entirely male and an older average age. I often was dealing with a younger crowd, lots of female members, and a large number who were from Europe. This is just my perspective though - but I feel the admins have done a fine job, and I would say let the thread continue.

 

[sheepfarmer]

But But but Tornado, If I turn off the NEWS, even for a second, the Chi Com Flu will just disappear, or will have never appeared in the first place.
I still have not encountered a single person who has or had the virus flu this year since last December.

;-)

Count your blessings! Vermont has been the only state colored green on any of the covid maps at least at this end of the country. Hope that it stays that way.

 

[D2Cat]

Maybe it should be an agreement for every statement post a link. Then we can decide how the link is inaccurate to get the answer the writer is looking for!

If we can 't have some spice on this forum we'd have to discuss repetitive issues of "my tractor won't start....." and make for a boring day! But there are a lot of other forums to venture to, I guess.

And not meant as a critique, but reading post without paragraphs is tough (at least for me)!

 

[chim]

Many interesting pieces of information (and opinions) have been on these pages. There were also some comments that have been a bit much for some people to tolerate. Although it would be nice, very few of us display our best manners 100% of the time. Some feelings will get hurt.

 

[sparky45]

Anybody remember the 1st shutdown? Financial numbers are out and last quarter GDP rocketed down by 32.9% annualized rate , single largest decline ever !! Think this country/economy can withstand another shutdown?

 

[motionclone]

Couple days ago more people died of Great White Shark attacks than Covid 19 here Maine.
So sharkproof suits to enter the waters including lakes and streams? Sounds about right for these days.

 

[skeets]

From the boys at Black Rifle Coffee

 

[D2Cat]

Saw this Dr. on Newsmax last night. https://baltimorejewishlife.com/news/news-detail.php?SECTION_ID=6&ARTICLE_ID=132981

 

[SidecarFlip]

I read that Herman Cain died from Covid yesterday. Don't matter who you are.

 

[twomany]

Saw this Dr. on Newsmax last night. https://baltimorejewishlife.com/news/news-detail.php?SECTION_ID=6&ARTICLE_ID=132981

She must not have any family in China. OR Her family is in high places. She is a doctor after all. Not easy without help, from what I read....

 

[Magicman]

The more freedom you have the more responsibility you have to not harm others with your actions.

 

[NHSleddog]

"CDC admitted they screwed up COVID19 infection counts and intentionally misled the public and have apologized, clarifying that the amount of people truly infected is much lower than what was originally reported -- an error so egregious it made the director of the Harvard Global Health Institute say “how could the CDC make this mistake? This is a mess."
The American Coronavirus Task Force also admitted to fudging the National COVID19 death count when Dr. Birx said the deaths are people who died “with” COVID19 not “from” COVID19, thus making the real death count much lower than what is currently being reported.
Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted masks won’t help against the virus and mask manufacturers are now including warnings that their products do not deter COVID19.
Fauci also said that continuing to close the country could cause irreparable damage.
CDC backtracked their initial claim that led governors to shutdown their states & clarified that COVID19 does not spread easily on surfaces.
Governor of New York Andrew Cuomo confirmed a recent health study showing that 70% of new infections actually originate at home, thus making stay at home orders one of the most dangerous mandates currently in place.
Trump stopped funding the WHO and threatened to cut off money permanently until they can prove they are no longer corruptly influenced by communist China after they lied to our country about human to human transmission of COVID19 in January.
The curve is flattened, the CDC, WHO, Dr. Fauci, our governors, and many more were completely wrong about the potential threat of this virus.
If you are still living in fear, Don’t be. The media, global organizations, the government, and its agencies “mislead” the public.
People called those of us who knew this all along conspiracy theorists, but it turns out we were just following the facts!
Open up your businesses, churches, and homes. Don’t fall for the lies any longer. If you fell for the lies this time, wake up and join the army of truth seekers fighting on the front lines.
Florida has just admitted to miscalculations on some that received positive COVID-19 results but never got tested and many others have been incorrectly identified as positive in the state’s system.
WHO have just admitted that transmission of the virus from an asymptomatic carriers - the whole reason for the lockdown, is rare!! ie you could not spread it before showing any symptoms!!
The CDC just confirmed a .4 to .26% death-rate for Covid 19. The death rate for the flu shot is .6. Twice as high as Covid!
For that, we have:
• Added nearly 6 trillion to national debt
• Laid-off or furloughed 50 million workers
• Placed 60 million on food stamps
• Gone from 3.5%to 14.7% unemployment
• Crippled the petroleum industry
• Ruined the tourism industry
• Bankrupted the service industry
• Caused an impending meat and protein crisis
• Threatened, fined, and arrested church leaders
• Exacerbated mental health problems
• Shut down schools and colleges
• Given unbridled power to unelected officials
• Increased suicides higher than COVID deaths
• Delayed surgeries and treatments for profound illnesses


How many lies and made up stuff is OK. It amazes me how much BS you can feed a person and actually have them follow along.

 

[sparky45]

Factual; easy to check to prove accuracy; easy to understand; and certainly implies a subset of actions aimed to cripple this country. Now WHO would do something like that???