Stellantis resurrects diesel cars across Europe

[Scm]

I‘m shocked you’d applaud a foreign company violating our laws.

There's so many "laws". EVERYONE violates our laws.

undocumented immigrants are criminals

They are not criminals unless there is a victim.

…and applaud them bypassing our regulations..?)

I am for open borders, I am NOT for subsidizing people (Americans included). If you come here and cause no harm or take from others. I have no problem with you.

 

[GeoHorn]

There's so many "laws". EVERYONE violates our laws.

They are not criminals unless there is a victim.

I am for open borders, I am NOT for subsidizing people (Americans included). If you come here and cause no harm or take from others. I have no problem with you.

ME….I … didn’t say they are criminals.

The “Everyone” comment reminds me of when I was a child and got caught doing something wrong…and I”d claim “everybody Else does it!” ….. and My parents would point out the inconsistency of that claim. You know better as well,…heh?

There is no such thing as Victimless-Crimes. There’s just those that haven’t a conscience because they didn’t get caught.

I agree that God didn’t make borders……economic- politics created that idea.

 

[Scm]

There is no such thing as Victimless-Crimes.

Tossed in a cage for having an "illegal" plant? Where's the victim?

 

[GeoHorn]

Tossed in a cage for having an "illegal" plant? Where's the victim?

The people injured and abused by the dealers. (Don’t play bewildered.…that dog don’t hunt.)

 

[Scm]

The people injured and abused by the dealers. (Don’t play bewildered.…that dog don’t hunt.)

The drug dealers in the white coats do far more damage.

What about people that grow their own?

Who was this guys victim?
Mansfield man gets body-slammed by cop after jaywalking, fractures seven ribs

I can go on and on with MANY victimless crimes.

 

[GeoHorn]

The drug dealers in the white coats do far more damage.

What about people that grow their own?

Who was this guys victim?
Mansfield man gets body-slammed by cop after jaywalking, fractures seven ribs

I can go on and on with MANY victimless crimes.

You’ve simply failed to properly identify the actual criminal. Roberts was the vicitm.

 

[Scm]

You’ve simply failed to properly identify the actual criminal. Roberts was the vicitm.

I asked who HE victimized enough to deserve 7 broken ribs AND 3 charges for jaywalking. Its obvious who the criminalS here are. Unfortunately, they have "qualified immunity" to beat us into submission.

 

[Scm]

Anyways, I figured out the real power behind diesel engines when my neighbor bought a diesel generator. And, he told me he can grow X amount of acres of sunflowers to produce X amount of diesel.
Self sufficiency (freedom), THAT is why they are attacking them.
I don't know of any private individuals that make their own gas.
So yes, happy to see more diesel cars in the world

 

[Hugo Habicht]

Anyways, I figured out the real power behind diesel engines when my neighbor bought a diesel generator. And, he told me he can grow X amount of acres of sunflowers to produce X amount of diesel.
Self sufficiency (freedom), THAT is why they are attacking them.
I don't know of any private individuals that make their own gas.
So yes, happy to see more diesel cars in the world

Works directly only with the old pre-chamber Diesel engines. Modern common rail engines do not like sunflower oil. But I think you can chemically modify the sunflower oil so that it works in modern Diesel engines too. Can be done at home too, plenty people in Ireland doing it.

You can grow sugar cane or sugar beet too and produce ethanol to run gasoline engines. Fuel mix has to be modified though. And it is a more complex process. Also higher fuel consumption. And you have all this ignition stuff to deal with. For my old car the components available are getting worse every year. Faulty parts out of the box are not rare. So Diesel engines are clearly preferrable.

Has anybody here used sunflower or rapeseed oil in their Kubota tractor?

 

[WI_Hedgehog]

Bio-diesel is what's called a "net sum loss," it takes more energy to make it than you can get out of it.

If that wasn't true government wouldn't have to force consumers to use it and farmers would power their own equipment with it.

 

[Hugo Habicht]

Bio-diesel is what's called a "net sum loss," it takes more energy to make it than you can get out of it.

If that wasn't true government wouldn't have to force consumers to use it and farmers would power their own equipment with it.

Would have any numbers or references to back up such a claim?

 

[Scm]

Bio-diesel is what's called a "net sum loss," it takes more energy to make it than you can get out of it.

If that wasn't true government wouldn't have to force consumers to use it and farmers would power their own equipment with it.

I am coming from a self sufficient/survival point. I think the main reason no one does it is because its so much easier to pull up to a pump, especially busy farmers and lazy consumers.

Biodiesel: A Renewable, Domestic Energy Resource

"Homegrown" energy source: Biofuels are derived from biological materials such as food crops, crop residues, forest residues, animal wastes, and landfills.

extension.psu.edu

 

[WI_Hedgehog]

I've seen farmers put in fermenting setups and hope for a return on investment, but nothing runs forever for free, and there's a lot of waste products. I've seen garage setups too though I'd think that's too small a scale to be economical.

Anyway, I haven't seen a long-term viable farm setup, nor a long-term "fry burner" which I'd think the closest to an at-home scalable "bio-diesel" setup. Even the long-term holdouts eventually realize they're losing money due to Total Cost Of Ownership (filters, cleaning costs, clog removal, overhead, etc.).

I knew a few farmers and bunch of fry guys, and I hoped it would work for the good of everyone. Even the chainsaw guys want to use vegetable-based oil in their saws, but there's always reasons it's not a good idea. If it was a good idea other people would "steal" it and use it themselves--it would spread like wildfire in an August field. But unfortunately that's not the case.

 

[Hugo Habicht]

If it was a good idea other people would "steal" it and use it themselves--it would spread like wildfire in an August field. But unfortunately that's not the case.

At current mineral oil prices, no, not economical. But face it, oil is running out and with increasing population and increased energy demand (artificial stupidity data centres) prices will soar and individual transport will be a thing of the past. Only rich people will be able to afford it or sunflower growers.

Talking about stealing: there was 1.2 tons of used vegetable oil stolen in southern Germany recently. Mc Donalds, KFC and another business were the victims.