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OK, so I don't get many phone calls, and when I do I always check the number. Lately a lot of calls come in ring 2 or 3 times and stop, no message no name nada, so I have to assume they are robo calls.
But lately some calls have come in for numbers ,the look like I should know them.
So reverse number look up,, tons of them and they all want money, while I dont mind paying for a service if I have to, there has got to be free ones out there some place, or is that something from a by gone day?
 
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With number spoofing, these spammers can have the caller ID show up with any number they choose, even matching legitimate local numbers. If you actually call the number back, you won't reach the spammer, but might get the local Pizza Hut or whatever. I haven't seen any good ways of preventing these calls because the numbers they're using are legitimate phone numbers.
 
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If I get a call from a number that's not in my contacts, I don't answer. If they really want to talk to me, they'll leave a message. If they do leave a message and it's some sort of scammer BS, I block the number.
 
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Prior to retirement I had access to a service that allowed reverse lookup and would show carrier, landline v cellular, owner name and address if not a burner, purchase place and date/time if burner, etc.

@Speed25 is correct. If they’re using a permanent line, they’ll spoof the number so a reverse lookup will lead you to the wrong party.

If they’re using burner phones and not hiding their number it will lead you nowhere. If you spend some money you could get the place and time of purchase, but that would still be a dead end without a court order to review the retailer’s records and still might not get you to the actual person.

It’s gotten to be pretty common for folks to not answer if not a known number and only return calls if legit voice mail left. From the caller standpoint, two calls back to back will often get an answer if it’s a real emergency.

BTW, I despise robo-calls and scam callers.
 
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Believe it or not, I have had calls that the ID showed it was my own number calling! Had to laugh when I saw that. I'm like others...if I hear the phone ring, I wait to see if there is a message. If no message left, I was glad that I didn't answer!

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I don't bother answering the phone anymore(no cell, just a VOIP version). 3 rings, 'please leave a message'. It's very, very rare someone actually leaves a message. If they do , I call back within the hour.
 
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Since it appears many of these robo calls are not successful, I wonder what they will try next in order to make entry to us? Or maybe, there are enough people who do answer and fall for the "pitch" that they will keep doing it for a while?

TG
 
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I have a feature on the IPhone that is something like “ignore unknown numbers”. If the call is from a number that is NOT in your directory, the phone doesn’t announce who is calling and quickly sends it to voicemail. There are few voicemails ever left.

It does have some drawbacks- like if someone that you hire to do work calls you will miss their call un you add them into your phone’s directory .
 
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Believe it or not, I have had calls that the ID showed it was my own number calling! Had to laugh when I saw that. I'm like others...if I hear the phone ring, I wait to see if there is a message. If no message left, I was glad that I didn't answer!

Tractor Gal
Skeets - - - just like @Tractor Gal, I got a call from my own number once!

I treat them all as spam calls, like the others. Same with emails, I don't click on anything.
 
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Skeets - - - just like @Tractor Gal, I got a call from my own number once!

I treat them all as spam calls, like the others. Same with emails, I don't click on anything.
@RCW…. from YOURSELF? Don’t you know that doin’ yur own self can make you GO BLIND!! ??
 
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Since it appears many of these robo calls are not successful, I wonder what they will try next in order to make entry to us? Or maybe, there are enough people who do answer and fall for the "pitch" that they will keep doing it for a while?

TG
My wife has started getting text messages from unknown to us numbers. Weird stuff- "Hey what time are you going to the party tonight?" kinds of stuff. Answer with anything and they seem to try leading you into a grab for money.

My phone usually lays in my 1/2 built barn somewhere unless my wife is in town or I am expecting a call.
 
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for a long time my phone sends unknown (not in my contact list) calls to voice-mail.

If it’s legit….they will leave a msg and I can return the call. If it’s someone returning MY call… I’ll call them back and add them to my contacts.

But the. thing that’s Pizzen me off lately… is they send TEXTS…sometimes with LINKS…. and I Always. REPORT them as SPAM/PHISHING/BLOCK if they’re not legit.
 
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@RCW…. from YOURSELF? Don’t you know that doin’ yur own self can make you GO BLIND!! ??
I only do it until things get hard to see then I stop. Worked for me so far! :p
 

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Since it appears many of these robo calls are not successful, I wonder what they will try next in order to make entry to us? Or maybe, there are enough people who do answer and fall for the "pitch" that they will keep doing it for a while?

TG
It’s somewhat hard to believe they’re successful but they are. There’s quite a bit of psychology involved, mostly involving fear, shame, and embarrassment. There are places in Nigeria, Ghana, and a few other places where internet and phone scamming with threats of arrest, romance scams, etc. is a respected profession. They train new people and have honed their craft like any other profession.

A few years ago, I had an employee who almost fell victim to an “IRS pay or go to jail” phone scam. She was an intelligent, hard working woman in her late 30’s. Due to her demeanor and diminutive size she was often referred to as “the rabid squirrel”, a moniker she accepted with pride. Her job included civil investigations so she was well versed in fraud schemes and people not being entirely truthful. She moved to the U.S. from a Northern European country in her mid-20’s. She was familiar with U.S. tax law but not much familiar with enforcement tactics.

One afternoon she came into my office falling all to pieces crying and upset because the IRS in Washington, DC had called her and told her there was a warrant for her arrest due to unpaid taxes which she could clear up with a $5000 payment immediately over the phone or she would be taken to jail the next day and possibly deported if she still couldn’t pay. She didn’t know what to do so she’d told them it would take a couple days to get the money to them and she’d call back when it was ready to send. Of course they wouldn’t let her call back, but they agreed they’d give her a little time and would call her the next evening for her account number and routing number.

Of course I told her it was a scam, the IRS doesn’t work that way, etc. and if they called back to either don’t talk to them or tell them things I can’t say in a polite forum. She was still wound up, so we ran a check on the number from her caller ID. It was a burner phone purchased in New York City 2 days before. She transitioned from very scared to very angry and a bit embarrassed. Told her if I was in her country and the taxing authority called me with a similar threat, I’d probably be a bit wound up myself.

Saw her a couple days later and asked her if she’d cleared up her tax issue. She said she almost didn’t tell anyone, including me, due to embarrassment of having a criminal warrant with her name on it, but figured if there was any chance of keeping her license, salvaging her career, and staying in the U.S. she had to involve me. The scammer did call her to follow up on payment. She said she spoke to them only to utilize the skills she had picked up from me on how to properly utilize ear burning profanity in southern U.S. English. Interestingly, by the second call, they had done some research and one of their tacks, upon being called out, was to admit they were scamming and ask her what her employer would think about one of their fraud investigators falling for a fraud scheme. Of course she told them her manager was already aware and had advised her to tell them to “do bad things to themselves and go to bad places”.

Often if the scammer intimidates a mark out of $1, it’s like a hook in a fishes mouth. If the mark realizes their error and tries to stop sending money, they switch tactics. A popular one for elderly marks: “What would your children Bobby, Frank, and Cheryl think about you giving your bank info to a stranger who pretended to be with the IRS? The only people we get to do that are doddering idiots. They’ll take away your driver license, the rest of your money, your house, and put you in a retirement home.”

You are correct that if it didn’t pay off they wouldn’t do it. But it does pay. And they are very good at reading their marks and playing on their psychology to extract money. IMO, they’re extremely despicable people.
 
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With number spoofing, these spammers can have the caller ID show up with any number they choose, even matching legitimate local numbers. If you actually call the number back, you won't reach the spammer, but might get the local Pizza Hut or whatever. I haven't seen any good ways of preventing these calls because the numbers they're using are legitimate phone numbers.
I fell for a craigslist scam once advertising free fill dirt. They were collecting phone numbers to spoof. They spoofed my number and I got a call back from a seriously irate guy wanting to know WHY I CALLED HIM. I couldn't convince him I hadn't called him so I took a screenshot of my recent calls which showed his number only had one arrow that was pointed inward on the log. I texted that to him and I guess it satisfied his fury because he didn't call back.

Later I searched and discovered the very same free fill dirt ad was in craigslists all over the country. I tried reporting them but never go any response from CL. The ads eventually went away so I guess they finally got wise.
 
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@RCW…. from YOURSELF? Don’t you know that doin’ yur own self can make you GO BLIND!! ??
George - that’s ridiculous and offensive.

I take issue with that comment.

If you don’t have any constructive advice…..go somewhere else. (EDIT BY POSTER TO MEET TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF OTT).

Point is that someone was spoofing (using illegitimately) my own phone number while calling people. I happened to be in the list.

I was receiving a call from my own phone number, but it was a bad actor spoofing my own number while calling 100’s (or 1,000’s ?) of unsuspecting victims.

You still think that’s funny, you person ?!?! (EDIT BY POSTER FOR OTT TERMS AND CONDITIONS COMPLIANCE)
 
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George - that’s ridiculous and offensive.

I take issue with that comment.

If you don’t have any constructive advice…..go somewhere else. (EDIT BY POSTER TO MEET TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF OTT).

Point is that someone was spoofing (using illegitimately) my own phone number while calling people. I happened to be in the list.

I was receiving a call from my own phone number, but it was a bad actor spoofing my own number while calling 100’s (or 1,000’s ?) of unsuspecting victims.

You still think that’s funny, you person ?!?! (EDIT BY POSTER FOR OTT TERMS AND CONDITIONS COMPLIANCE)
Lighten Up. It was a JOKE. Think about it.

(meanwhile… since you are so offended…. did it occur to you that by quoting me ..that even if I removed my comments before the <edit> times-out…you actually ARCHIVED them? doh

(Instead of suggesting you to “lighten up”… I almost suggested you “get a grip” …. but that probably would ”incense” you all-over again) 🤣
 
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Point is that someone was spoofing (using illegitimately) my own phone number while calling people. I happened to be in the list.
I find it shocking that this is even technically possible. The phone companies could easily change their software to stop number spoofing. Why are they allowing this?
 

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I find it shocking that this is even technically possible. The phone companies could easily change their software to stop number spoofing. Why are they allowing this?
This is a Google AI response, but it’s a pretty good overview IMO.

Phone number spoofing, while often associated with malicious activities like scams, is not entirely prohibited due to several legitimate and legal uses
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Here's why it's allowed in certain circumstances:

Legitimate reasons for spoofing

  • Protecting Privacy:
    • Doctors calling patients from their personal mobile phones can spoof their office number to avoid revealing their private number.
    • Journalists can spoof their numbers to protect their private contacts and encourage tips from anonymous sources.
    • Helplines staffed by volunteers using personal phones can spoof the helpline number to protect the volunteers' privacy.
    • Victims of domestic abuse or those with other legitimate safety concerns can use caller ID spoofing to protect their personal information, according to WomensLaw.org.
  • Business Operations:
    • Businesses can spoof their toll-free call-back number or main business line when making outgoing calls from various extensions or departments.
    • Customer service centers with multiple agents can ensure that incoming calls are routed back to the appropriate department or general helpline, even when the call originated from an individual agent's line.
  • Law Enforcement: Law enforcement agencies can spoof their numbers to protect officers' identities and maintain operational security during investigations.
Legal framework
  • The federal Truth in Caller ID Act prohibits any person or entity from transmitting misleading or inaccurate Caller ID information with the intent to defraud, cause harm, or wrongly obtain anything of value.
  • Spoofing is not illegal if no harm is intended or caused.
  • Individuals illegally spoofing can face penalties of up to $10,000 for each violation.
Challenges in prevention
  • Technological Limitations:
    • Older Caller ID transmission protocols (like SS7) were not designed with strong authentication, making spoofing relatively easy.
    • VoIP technology provides flexibility in configuring caller ID, which can be exploited by fraudsters.
    • Complex call routing through multiple networks makes it difficult to trace spoofed calls back to their origin.
  • Jurisdictional Issues: Spoofed calls often originate from different countries with varying regulations and enforcement capabilities, making international cooperation challenging.
  • Data Privacy Concerns: Sharing information about potential spoofing may conflict with data privacy regulations like GDPR and CCPA.
Efforts to combat spoofing
  • STIR/SHAKEN Framework: The industry-standard STIR/SHAKEN framework aims to authenticate caller ID information, making it harder for fraudsters to spoof numbers.
  • Robocall Mitigation: Phone companies are implementing robocall mitigation techniques, including call blocking and labeling services, to reduce the impact of spoofed calls.
  • Consumer Education: Public awareness campaigns and resources help consumers recognize and protect themselves against spoofing scams.
In conclusion, phone number spoofing is permitted in specific situations where there is no intent to defraud or cause harm. However, combating illegal and malicious spoofing remains a challenge due to technological limitations and jurisdictional complexities, necessitating a combination of technological solutions, regulatory measures, and consumer education to address the issue effectively.
 
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OK, so I don't get many phone calls, and when I do I always check the number. Lately a lot of calls come in ring 2 or 3 times and stop, no message no name nada, so I have to assume they are robo calls.
But lately some calls have come in for numbers ,the look like I should know them.
So reverse number look up,, tons of them and they all want money, while I dont mind paying for a service if I have to, there has got to be free ones out there some place, or is that something from a by gone day?
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