Stuck Eurocardan PTO Shaft?

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My neighbor gave me this land pride finish mower that had a sheared cutter blade bolt which he did not want to mess with. I am trying to remove the pto shaft which has what I believe to be a Eurocardan PTO Shaft. The shaft is stuck on and I am not sure which way the collar should rotate to release the detent ball. Any help would be much appreciated.

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I have but because it is stuck on the gear shaft I do not know for sure that they rotate in the same direction to release the detent ball.
 

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Can you download the manuals from Landpride's website ?
The parts manual does not appear to cover the shaft and the shaft pictured on the parts diagram looks like the basic style.
 

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Hey, is that my dead blow hammer???

The last time I was looking for info on Eurocardan shafts I found everything I needed on an Italian implement manufacturer's site. Sorry I don't remember which one it was but iirc I was searching for flail mower info.
 

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@Dustball pointed you in the right direction, which way does the end of the shaft turn that not connected to the Mower?
With the other end open you'll see how it works, they should turn the same direction.
 

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just came back from eurocardan's website and their's look like 'normal' units...NO 'rubber wheel ' looking ends.
so... is there ANY part number / ID on the PTO shaft ???
 

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@Dustball pointed you in the right direction, which way does the end of the shaft turn that not connected to the Mower?
With the other end open you'll see how it works, they should turn the same direction.
I've tried rotating it both ways, first in same direction as open end and then reverse. Its stuck. I don't mind tearing up the yoke but I don't want to tear up the mower shaft, and believe me it's coming off! :unsure:
 

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Found this-

Shouldn't matter which way the collar is rotated, there's a ramp in both directions. Found this picture of someone's yoke with the collar off-
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If you have no plans on keeping the PTO shaft, cut the outer wheel off and start working on getting the balls loose. Maybe even punch the u-joint caps out and use a 2-jaw puller on it.

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Thanks DB ! that's a GREAT drawing of 'how-it-works' and HOW IT FAILS, well, gets STUCK.
Hopefully a LOT of 'light oil ( penetrating or ATF ) will free up THREE balls. Might take a day or two ,depending on rust, gorf, mud, grease, straw dust, etc.......
 

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Thx Dustball . The diagram showed the spring that I was unaware of. The tractor end (black collar) was rotating to the right to release, but was not springing back to lock. The mower end (red collar) was originally frozen and would not rotate. It's been soaking in pen oil for about two days now. I had earlier got the collar to rotate but no spring back. But after seeing the spring I worked the collar over real good and finally got it to spring back to Right to lock. So to release it rotates opposite of the black one. Maybe why its red?
So that takes care of that issue, but its still stuck solid! :(
 

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Thx Dustball . The diagram showed the spring that I was unaware of. The tractor end (black collar) was rotating to the right to release, but was not springing back to lock. The mower end (red collar) was originally frozen and would not rotate. It's been soaking in pen oil for about two days now. I had earlier got the collar to rotate but no spring back. But after seeing the spring I worked the collar over real good and finally got it to spring back to Right to lock. So to release it rotates opposite of the black one. Maybe why its red?
So that takes care of that issue, but its still stuck solid! :(
You may want to get it moving towards the gearbox and get it moving back and forth on the gearbox shaft. I think I would get the shaft front half off of the rear half and get the plastic shield out of the way.

I had a PTO shaft stuck in a tiller gear box and copious amounts of PB Blaster with light hammer taps eventually got it moving towards the gearbox a bit and then spraying the new open shaft area and moving back to starting point. eventually it moved back towards the off position and then came off.

You might have more trouble since you have to deal with the splines and locking balls while mine was smooth and used a bolt to hold it on.
 

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Thx Russell King. Soaked it again yesterday evening. There is no movement at all at this point. The yoke is frozen to the shaft.
I want to remove the shaft because at this point it is not sliding inside itself. Also my neighbor had a bigger tractor so I may need to modify the shaft. Is there a non-destructive way of getting the shaft cover off?

Thx Mike
 

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some have plastic pins( think car 'bumper cover rivets') that hold them...
one of those 'have to see it' problems.
if you knew who made it, that'd have a 'parts page' on their website ?
 

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Thx Russell King. Soaked it again yesterday evening. There is no movement at all at this point. The yoke is frozen to the shaft.
I want to remove the shaft because at this point it is not sliding inside itself. Also my neighbor had a bigger tractor so I may need to modify the shaft. Is there a non-destructive way of getting the shaft cover off?

Thx Mike
Yes there is some method to get the plastic shield off without destroying it. BUT that works when the actual shaft slides apart.

Looking at your pictures it is difficult to see much since the plastic shield is black, but it looks like the plastic shield and the PTO shaft are pretty much as short (pushed together) as they can be. So you may be able to get the plastic ends loose but not move them.

To describe how the plastic is attached is a guess but there is generally some type of plastic bearing that attaches at both ends of the PTO shaft so the plastic shield is stationary while the steel shaft rotates. Then there is some type of attachment of the bell end to the yoke of the shaft. There is some type of release mechanism that allows the plastic bell to be released from the steel shaft yoke. I have one that looks like plastic screws but they aren’t really screws, they rotate the head in a way that moves it out of alignment with the actual hole, I have seen some that require some tab to be pressed in to move the plastic bell. There are many other methods that I haven’t seen.

I had the advantage that my stuck shaft did not have the plastic shield on it so I had access to the PTO shaft universal joints and they needed to be replaced so I was able to remove the u-joint at the implement end to get the shaft out of the way. Then there was more access to the yoke that was stuck. You may need to start at the tractor end and see if there is anyway to get the u-joint apart with the plastic shield in place or if there is room to move the plastic out of the way.

Take some closer pictures of the plastic bells (from the center area towards the ends) so we can locate the way to remove the plastic bells from the steel shaft. I am sure someone will have a similar cover as you do.

You may have to start sacrificing the plastic shield and then replace it if you can get the shaft off.
You may have to just cut the PTO shaft yoke off the implement but you have time to do other things first. Start with more pictures unless someone tells you how to get the plastic loose!
 

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Success!
It finally pulled apart, with a little encouragement!
Next up. Repair the seared bolt in the blade shaft Hope the shaft comes out with less issues.
Thx all for the in put!:)(y)
 

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Good news, glad you got it apart.

Now is the time to learn and document how to remove the plastic shield from the shaft!
 
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