Recycling batteries
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That has to be the strangest looking facility I've ever seen. So much dead space with the machine right in the center of the room. Almost like they don't intend to expand.
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Yep - - when they said Rochester, thought it sounded familiar.
Rochester is a couple hours away.
Think a similar (same?) proposal was made in Binghamton, NY area few years ago. That one was rebuffed by the locals. Binghamton is just 30 miles south of us.
These recycling facilities are often located in/near suburban neighborhoods.
The facility certainly looks "clean," but the processes and materials involved have a ton of environmental concerns. I think the guy said they use lots of water, but it's a closed loop system....how does that work?!?!
Certainly less impact than mining native ore and landfilling recyclable materials. No doubt there.
Senator Schumer has been front-and-center to a proposed Micron Chip-Fab facility north of Syracuse, NY. At 10,000 (?) or so jobs, employment promises are amazing and very lucrative!
Recently they said the facility would use more water per day than the entire City of Syracuse.....
I'm concerned some of these government-induced-and-hastened "green" development projects may create more environmental issues down the road. We're really not thinking about future and ancillary problems in favor of a "Green Project".....
Question how "green" they really are, and if the company getting all the government dollars will even exist after the incentives go away.....
JMHO.....
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Once they get all the federal money, they will file for Chapter 9 bankruptcy. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/...leaving-many-with-roof-panels-that-dont-work/ or think Enron
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/enron.asp
Yep - - when they said Rochester, thought it sounded familiar.
Rochester is a couple hours away.
Think a similar (same?) proposal was made in Binghamton, NY area few years ago. That one was rebuffed by the locals. Binghamton is just 30 miles south of us.
These recycling facilities are often located in/near suburban neighborhoods.
The facility certainly looks "clean," but the processes and materials involved have a ton of environmental concerns. I think the guy said they use lots of water, but it's a closed loop system....how does that work?!?!
Certainly less impact than mining native ore and landfilling recyclable materials. No doubt there.
Senator Schumer has been front-and-center to a proposed Micron Chip-Fab facility north of Syracuse, NY. At 10,000 (?) or so jobs, employment promises are amazing and very lucrative!
Recently they said the facility would use more water per day than the entire City of Syracuse.....
Question how "green" they are.
I'm concerned some of these government-induced and hastened "green" developments projects may create more environmental issues down the road. We're really not thinking about future and ancillary problems in favor of a "Green Project".....
JMHO.....
So what closed loop means is they do not return water. In an open loop system, water is taken in and used for whatever industrial process and then returned to the system or to local water ways after processing in an on site water treatment facility. The outflow is periodically tested by the epa and is supposed to be consistently monitored. If not returned to a waterway some municipalities handle final filtration for a facility.
Closed loop just means no water returns. It stays on site in storage tanks or in our case man made lakes. We are shifting to closed loop as the epa is forcing all manufacturering facilities to do so. The lakes are lined to prevent leaching and the water is processed on site to be reused. Any materials from the process that cannot be cleaned on site is stored as Hazardous waste which undergoes further processing before being shipped out for further refinement and disposal.
Really in a closed loop the only way for water to dissipate outside of spills would be evaporation. Which is still a large loss because the water in many facilities is used for cooling.
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@will721 - thanks for the explanation.
Understand the principle.
I dealt with commercial water and wastewater treatment many years ago. Also had a role in hazardous waste site remediation. Had a couple closed loop manufacturers with lagoons.
Trust me, I’m not adverse to our industrial needs as a society.
I just think some of these green projects are touted much more “rosy” than they may prove to be 30+ years from now.
That battery facility is not processing leftover chocolate chip cookies…
I think it’s done post-haste in the spirit of a greener future, and need to roll out the tax incentives as soon as possible.
Some of the details may not be completely thought out IMHO.
Understand the principle.
I dealt with commercial water and wastewater treatment many years ago. Also had a role in hazardous waste site remediation. Had a couple closed loop manufacturers with lagoons.
Trust me, I’m not adverse to our industrial needs as a society.
I just think some of these green projects are touted much more “rosy” than they may prove to be 30+ years from now.
That battery facility is not processing leftover chocolate chip cookies…
I think it’s done post-haste in the spirit of a greener future, and need to roll out the tax incentives as soon as possible.
Some of the details may not be completely thought out IMHO.
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Brought back a fond memory. We had a mid-level manager take a water glass, put it in the creek at our effluent pipe and drink the whole 12 ounces in front of local eviro groups and the press, He was 100 percent confident in our technology and analysis. We knew that our effluent was "cleaner" than the water upstream.
The attorneys told him to never ever do that again !!.. They had no faith.
Of course on certain days I knew to breath shallow and walk fast past a few short stacks.
A neighbor was in charge of the waste water treatment at a local manufacturing plant, at an open house he gave his spiel about how clean the discharged water was and that is was cleaner than the city water. I piped up and asked why they were paying for water instead of recycling what they had. No answer. When I left the open house, I walked into the woods where the disgusting effluent foamed its way to the small stream.
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The local ( 2Km away ,upwind) rendering plant (2nd largest in Ontario(?) uses well water for 100% processing. One December,they asked and got permission to pump over 1,000,000 ( yest a MILLION) GALLONS of water a DAY. When the 'settling pond' is kinda full, they're allowed to drain off into a 'creek' that then dumps into Christie Lake, which pumps bleach near the main swimming area......
They USED to have areators in the main lagoon...no longing work though....it's a 'well known' smell, you don't forget..unique.
They USED to have areators in the main lagoon...no longing work though....it's a 'well known' smell, you don't forget..unique.
Yeah the smell is because their air scrubbers aren't functioning properly. I used to work at a local slaughter house with a rendering dept on the water based air scrubbers. There were 4 in total. I actually lost my sense of smell due to covid back when it first hit the states, but when we drive by I can tell you exactly which scrubber isn't running properly based on how my wife describes the smell.
Side note, don't let the significant others wear red lipstick. Unrelated but also totally related...
