New, safer gas cans......

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So,.... a wall has been proven to work in Israel,.....but would be "just a big A*** waste of money" in the USA.

Just how did you arrive at that conclusion?
Have you ever heard of the Berlin wall?
The Great Wall of China?

Joe Biden has had a "wall" built around his house in Delaware....because a wall is "just a big A*** waste of money"? :giggle:
Joe didn't pay for it, the American taxpayers paid for it as part of his Presidential Protection detail.
 
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You have to love Internet forums, gas cans to the border in less than one page.
Sorry, I allowed myself to be drawn in.
I have a bunch of the new plastic cans with a really crappy nozzle. They were supposed to spill less. These seem to spill more. When the can is turned upside down to get the last quart of gas out the nozzle tends to leak all over your hand. Pulling out the plastic mesh fire stop is easy and is the only way to get a siphon hose in.
The logic of a fire stop on a plastic can seems dumb. Plastic, fuel, and fire to me means run like hell !
 
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Pulling out the plastic mesh fire stop is easy and is the only way to get a siphon hose in.
The logic of a fire stop on a plastic can seems dumb. Plastic, fuel, and fire to me means run like hell !
I had older gas cans that had brass screens, those corroded away with the ethanol and water absorption, (another piece of government waste}. I'm sure that the brass particles did wonders for the engine.
 
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Joe didn't pay for it, the American taxpayers paid for it as part of his Presidential Protection detail.
My post did not mention anything about who paid for ANY of the aforementioned walls..
 

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My idea would be to erect the wall with the materials that we already paid for. The only thing that is happening is the waste of dollars guarding those enormous piles.
The cost is a couple million per mile and there’s only materials that are stockpiled for about 20 miles. The piles of steel would be better used for a useful project. And the money would be better spent for technology based surveillance and hiring more Border Patrol officers. Much of that country is horse country, not even accessible by Jeep in CA, AZ, NM, and west Texas. It’s not all that nice flat land like they show on the news from El Paso. Also in the central Texas border country, there’s another big issue that nobody but locals talk about. The Rio Grande River valley. On both sides there are thousands of acres of fertile farmland. Many Texas farm families have been working that land for centuries. A wall cannot be built along the River; it must be built out of the floodplain, typically 1/2 mile upslope of the river. This would effectively take that farmland and place it on the opposite side of the fence. Do they give each landowner a gate and keys? Or does the government take this land by imminent domain and destroy productive farms and communities that have been there longer than the United States? The situation isn’t as simple as many politicians like to describe it.
 
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I had older gas cans that had brass screens, those corroded away with the ethanol and water absorption, (another piece of government waste}. I'm sure that the brass particles did wonders for the engine.
Brass screens In gas cans are a scrappers dream. Just wait until they switch to copper!
 

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I have a collection of the old vented cans from 1 to 5 gal. All this new expensive government mandated technology does not affect me.
 
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Israel is about the size of New Jersey. Rocket fire between it and it's neighbors is a weekly event. The border is far from secure. Israel has no problem putting settlements in other peoples land.
And they have ONE - count it ONE - international airport, little easier to "police" ......

My wife's family is Palestinian ........ there are more "true" stories than meets any new agency.

True there are bad and stupid people doing stupid things there - but it is a david and goliath all the way around.
 

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Picked up one of these gas can retrofit kits, works good:

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I keep the modern version on my 5gal diesel can for Kubota tractor where the filler neck is on top of the tank .
Makes it easier to tip it on its side when filling without any spilling.
Put spout in gas tank then release spout mechanism to pour.
But all my other gas cans got converted.
 

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EZ-POUR made those for years, they have information on their website to tell you what they fit. I have those on most cans.
 
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Most undocumented people come here for jobs because US employers recruit and hire them. I have lived for 55+ years in two border states. I frequently hear of these people being deported, but have never once heard of employers being prosecuted. Many politicians of both parties play that game by catering to the business community, while using the issue for political gamesmanship.
 
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what griped me about their intervention into fuel cans is how the regs caused the manufacturers to address it. "No spill" resulted in "full spill" or "always spill". Just stupid. The government was the root cause of course but manufacturers had no choice. But that was only one issue. The other issue that came a little later was non-vented portable fuel tanks in boats. Without a vent, and the change in fuel, the fuel and the vapors expand considerably more causing a lot more pressure inside the tank. Plus, because of the epa regs on the fuel tanks (right around 2011 as I remember), tanks got a LOT more expensive (doubled + in price). OEM tanks were over $100 for a 6 gal tank. They came down for a while, but I think are back up again. Anyway people were buying portable and mid-range outboards, as we sold them by hundreds. But they were not buying the $105 fuel tanks. They were buying the chincanese tanks that Academy, Dick's, Wal-Mart, etc sell. Well what do we know about chincanese cheap stuff? It's cheap, because it's, well, cheaply made. Dump 6 gal into them, go to the lake, and the boats that we sold were generally higher-end aluminum jon boats with the tank exposed to sunlight. Sunlight screws with the material, causes the fuel to get hot and expand, and those cheap junk tanks would swell up til they were ROUND; often would split open, leaking 1-6 gallons of fuel all over the bottom of the boat. And Jon's are often open on bottom with no floor to speak of. What could go wrong? Had one or two of them split open and dump fuel all over the bottom. Junk tanks. OE tanks had a relief valve in them that would dump pressure to the atmosphere, but half the time the cheap ones wouldn't work properly, or the plastic would split before the valve would open. That is your government at work. Make a set of laws that "protect" people, and the markets will react by making what is mandated, yet people are gonna try to save a dollar and in that process they end up doing more harm than the mandated "good".

Fuel lines were another issue-they have to be low-permaeation now, which costs more than the old cheap stuff did. Does it do any good? Makes a little more money when you sell it, but that's all Iv'e seen.

We sell VP cans at work. When we go to the big events, we will take however many utility cans we have in stock and usually sell out of them. 2 years ago at Mud Nationals they sold 134 of them on day #1. People are tired of the "no spill" crap. Although I will say this. We do not sell them as "gas cans", because they're not really designed specifically for that purpose. But, we can sell them as "utility cans" and what the EU does with them is out of our control.
 
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When will the ATFF (Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Fuelcans) come knocking on all our doors because we use "race fuel only" cans for other fuels?
 

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I like the SureCan gas cans. They are more expensive than they should be (my opinion), but they work well, I don't spill gas all over, and I don't have the frustration of the government new style cans.
 
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Old school Rubbermaid vented cans for gas. I have a few of these in red, and a few blue (kerosene) too.
As for mix gas, smaller vented Rubbermaid's and more recently got a No-Spill Jill can, seems to work well.
 
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I’m not sure tree-huggers and gov’t clerks (can’t remember how to spell bureaucrats) created this problem. I think lawyers had a lot to do with it. Someone spilled fuel and sued and some lawyers started lobbying congress…and the rest is history. (the reason smoke detectors in hotels, seat-belts in cars/tractors, and helmets were mandated was because of company lawyers who needed to deflect civil suits)

Marine gas cans that pressurize will result in over-pressure of outboard fuel-injector system components and spill fuel into the boat and flood the engine. The ”safety feature” becomes the actual hazard.

A ladies hat-pin stuck into the handle or top of a marine gas can will invisibly vent pressure overboard yet not allow too much vapor to escape …yet not spill sloshing fuel.
 
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