I do like to surf youtube, and find a lot of interesting things. However one thing I do not find very much, in fact very little of is Orange tractors doing any kind of farm work. Yes little things like mowing and maybe some hilling, but not much more. I mean when there is a guy with not much more than a green subcompact bailing hay with a JD 327 and it working. And nada with Orange toys,,, Why is that ????
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I know what your getting at, I see the same thing. The videos I see of 'professional farmers' are almost all Deere so I believe that most 'professional farmers' still prefer and use Deere. Maybe because that's what they have always used.
I knew he likes red heads...perhaps orange is the next level attained in the progression...I mean with respect to tractors...Skeets is looking for that hardcore orange tractor porn
But he is already there with his BX and B series...more confused than ever now...
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Awwww man,, now you gota throw more into the game,,, a redhead on an orange tractor,, oh lord over loadI knew he likes red heads...perhaps orange is the next level attained in the progression...I mean with respect to tractors...
But he is already there with his BX and B series...more confused than ever now...
I mean really you see green tractors, and blue ones and a lot of old red ones,, and thats all cool. I just wonder why you dont or at least I havent found one bailing hay, or doing real farm work, not that I doubt they are not being used every day for real farm work. But when a guy posts a LITTLE JD pulling a square bailer, and its working,,,,, I am depressed
Well, there are some haying, etc, but maybe you've watched too much green so that's all youtube wants you to watch.I mean really you see green tractors, and blue ones and a lot of old red ones,, and thats all cool. I just wonder why you dont or at least I havent found one bailing hay, or doing real farm work, not that I doubt they are not being used every day for real farm work. But when a guy posts a LITTLE JD pulling a square bailer, and its working,,,,, I am depressed
My EXACT thought but you beat me to it!
I know Flip uses his Kubotas for farm work and that he has two of them. M series but I forget the size.
Maybe JD farmers are exhibitionist and really just want to show off. When I'm working I don't have time to stop, take pictures or video to explain to someone who may not really care.
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Think about the history of the two brands. Kubota made its reputation with compact tractors and JD with farm utility tractors. Now both brands build all classes, but old habits die hard.
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Having been in an industry that provides support for farmers for many years, I think a lot of it has to do with dealer loyalty more than brand loyalty for farmers, particularly medium to large farms (500 acres and up in actual production). They tend to require large machines; not just tractors but various type harvesters, hi-boy sprayers, etc. Those larger machines have all sorts of electronic yield mapping, auto steer, and a plethora of sensors that have the ability to allow multiple machines to interact with each other electronically. So the tendency is to stick with one brand for their newer, electronically festooned equipment so it’s all compatible with all their other newer stuff. Kind of a bigger scale version of why most people have cordless tools that are all one color so the batteries and chargers are all compatible. I have nothing against yellow cordless tools but all mine are red because it’s a bit of a PITA to have a rainbow of cordless tools. Particularly with JD, a lot of their stuff is unique to JD (their quick attach is a swell example on smaller stuff). Their electronics, if not A/M retrofits, don’t tend to play well with others. Some brands such as Agco, Case, and Fendt are a bit more open to compatibility with other colors. JD not so much.
The other issue is dealer support, which varies by area. For a large farmer, they need a dealer that will show up and keep them running in crunch times. That varies by area but JD is the king of that in many areas due to their extensive and well established dealer network, at least in the US. The dealer issue plays into who do you call when you need them. If you have to deal with one dealer and are a significant account that tends to get you more responsiveness and if you have an issue with machines not talking to each other you don’t get finger pointing and no resolution if all the potential problems are the same brand.
So the sum of all that is large farmers tend to have one color of newer equipment and Kubota doesn’t have much presence in heavy ag, so it’s most likely to be JD, Case, Klaas, or Fendt. Kubota is one of the best, if not the best, in the CUT and SCUT markets so you’ll see a lot of them with landscapers, homeowners, highway right of way mowers, etc. but not so much with heavy ag. They also have a reputation of being relatively light (kg/lb) tractors compared to their HP. That’s good for a lot of true utility tasks but not so good for tillage work.
In regard to utility type work, I do see some Kubotas on large farms. But a lot of larger farmers tend to use skid steers and mini-track loaders for their utility work rather than any type tractor. That used to be New Holland, Bobcat, and Cat (at least around here) but I have seen more and more Kubota branded mini-track loaders on farms over the past few years.
All that said, I have been seeing Case making some headway in market share here. Perhaps coincidentally, or perhaps not, their increased presence here seemed to start about the time the arguments about right to repair and what you’re actually buying when you buy a machine started heating up. As I suspect everyone knows, JD has been the poster child for the manufacturer retaining ownership of software to the point you can’t make simple repairs without a service tech to reset software and A/M parts are forbidden on at least some of their large machines. As a competitive move some other manufacturers haven’t taken such a hard line in those issues and Case has a pretty strong dealer network in the big ag parts of this area as well.
The other issue is dealer support, which varies by area. For a large farmer, they need a dealer that will show up and keep them running in crunch times. That varies by area but JD is the king of that in many areas due to their extensive and well established dealer network, at least in the US. The dealer issue plays into who do you call when you need them. If you have to deal with one dealer and are a significant account that tends to get you more responsiveness and if you have an issue with machines not talking to each other you don’t get finger pointing and no resolution if all the potential problems are the same brand.
So the sum of all that is large farmers tend to have one color of newer equipment and Kubota doesn’t have much presence in heavy ag, so it’s most likely to be JD, Case, Klaas, or Fendt. Kubota is one of the best, if not the best, in the CUT and SCUT markets so you’ll see a lot of them with landscapers, homeowners, highway right of way mowers, etc. but not so much with heavy ag. They also have a reputation of being relatively light (kg/lb) tractors compared to their HP. That’s good for a lot of true utility tasks but not so good for tillage work.
In regard to utility type work, I do see some Kubotas on large farms. But a lot of larger farmers tend to use skid steers and mini-track loaders for their utility work rather than any type tractor. That used to be New Holland, Bobcat, and Cat (at least around here) but I have seen more and more Kubota branded mini-track loaders on farms over the past few years.
All that said, I have been seeing Case making some headway in market share here. Perhaps coincidentally, or perhaps not, their increased presence here seemed to start about the time the arguments about right to repair and what you’re actually buying when you buy a machine started heating up. As I suspect everyone knows, JD has been the poster child for the manufacturer retaining ownership of software to the point you can’t make simple repairs without a service tech to reset software and A/M parts are forbidden on at least some of their large machines. As a competitive move some other manufacturers haven’t taken such a hard line in those issues and Case has a pretty strong dealer network in the big ag parts of this area as well.
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Here you go:I mean really you see green tractors, and blue ones and a lot of old red ones,, and thats all cool. I just wonder why you dont or at least I havent found one bailing hay, or doing real farm work, not that I doubt they are not being used every day for real farm work. But when a guy posts a LITTLE JD pulling a square bailer, and its working,,,,, I am depressed
They got an orange one and if you watch their videos you will see it planting and being used in feeding
He uses his tractor in his haying/farming operation
Another haying operation
I think one of the reasons you don't see Kubota tractors being used more in field work, their M7 series came out in 2019 and the M8 came out in 2020. So, the largest Kubota tractors, which are still small for large field work have only been out for a short time.
Don't forget if you have a tractor that is smaller than his it isn't real and doesn't do any real work. His make money off of the dollars that his wife provides him to play with.My EXACT thought but you beat me to it!
I know Flip uses his Kubotas for farm work and that he has two of them. M series but I forget the size.
Back on topic though. I think a lot of it has to do with the market that Kubota pursues. When you think Case IH you think farm not utility. When you think Deere you think farm and lawn mowers. Kubota has really geared their production towards construction, utility, and landscape type work. It is really reflected in their product lines as well. I don't recall seeing anything beyond drill seeders and broadcast spreaders from Landpride or kubota and they have no sprayers to speak of.
I see Case vs Kubota kind of like Peterbilt vs Ford. Entirely different markets but both drive down the road and many of them make/save the owners money. Deere might fall more into the Volvo category than the other 2 mentioned based off their spread.
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To skeet's point, I live in a rural area with a lot of dairy farms, and some crop farmers that were dairy guys.
I can think of just a few commercial ag folks with a Kubota.
Now, for non-commercial non-ag places, it's amazing the number of orange tractors you see. Most utility, compact and smaller.
While back was heading to an early spring consignment auction....bet I saw 8-10 smaller Kubotas along the 25 mile drive....about even split between L/B/BX.
I can think of just a few commercial ag folks with a Kubota.
Now, for non-commercial non-ag places, it's amazing the number of orange tractors you see. Most utility, compact and smaller.
While back was heading to an early spring consignment auction....bet I saw 8-10 smaller Kubotas along the 25 mile drive....about even split between L/B/BX.