Govt. Office employees..... global warming and wives

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THAT is not universally true at all. In Texas the “teachers union” is a toothless sympathy group.
My wife worked all her career as a public elementary school teacher. The “summer vacations” people think she received were off-set by her low pay. (Ten years at less than $30K for 14-16 hr days. NO actual vacation…. spring breaks, holidays, etc. were taken up preparing for return-to-class lessons… surrounded by 20-28 kids all day without coffee breaks other escape from constant bad behavior that resulted from parents using school as a “baby-sitter” because no discipline taught at home. My wife left the house at 6AM to drive 50 miles to be there at 7AM to meet schoolbuses at 7:30AM and herded kids all day long, then remained until after dark preparing for the next day. She bought school supplies and lesson plan supplies out of her own pocket. Her “lunch” period watched kids to prevent fights on the playground. (When was the last time YOU spent 10 months working 14-16 hrs straight with misbehaving kids and angry parents to boot?)
Her ”summer vacation”. consisted of two weeks in required attendance at a continuing-education-workshop and then she had to go to the school a week in advance to do janitorial work unstacking desks, mopping floors, creating “welcoming environments” out of the walls and setting up furniture, libraries, shelves, and lockers for the kids.
She had to re-use 5 year-old dilapidated textbooks because the athletics program (“coach” was supposedly also a teacher but he was always served with a subsitute or gone away on training programs or to games.)…. she and her kids had dilapidated textbooks because the athletics program spent the money on paving the stadium parking-lot, striping the field, and buying concrete parking-curbs and signs that designated the parking places for “Coach”, Principal, and school-board.
Her retirement consists of $1400/month and her insurance..?? When the governor (Rick Perry…you know the guy… the one who couldn’t remember which agency he would get rid-of when he became president.. the same agency he was appointed to head-up by Trump… the “Energy Department”… then when he became Energy Sec’y he discovered the agency he headed-up and wanted to dismantle was also the agency responsible for all our atomic-energy plants, weapons, stockpiles, and disposals…). …. Yes, Rick Perry ran for governor on the promise that he would increase teacher salaries by $6K…. then later he changed that figure to $4K… but when he took office it actually became $2K salary increase…. BUT…the teachers Health Insurance premiums went UP by ..you guessed it almost exactly TWO THOUSAND DOLLARs.
So the INSURANCE COMPANIES that contributed to Rick Perry’s campaign is who got the $2K raise… the Teachers got a higher TAX BRACKET!
BTW, when she retired…her health insurance premium went to $700+ per month for reduced coverage. (This was for supplemental insurance to medicare and would be taken OUT of her retirement paycheck of $2400 before taxes.). It was far cheaper to carry her on MY insurance than the Teachers Retirement System!
Did I mention that she does not qualify for Social Security? The TRS system did not pay into SS…although my wife paid into it for years as a dental assistant before becoming a teacher. She’ll never get a penny of that back, not even survivor benefits when I die.

Don‘t spread false rumors about teachers getting summers off, overpaid and fantastic benefits. Thems fightin’ words for me.
You should have moved. Forced to work in those conditions must have been terrible.

Up here, the teachers are all voluntary participants. None of them are forced to work. THEY DO GET SUMMERS OFF! They also get 4 other weeks off as well as every conceivable holiday. And ZERO accountability with great pay and bennies.

Fighting words? Blame the NEA, not the people that point out the issues.
 
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I wonder what kind of business could succeed if they were operating a multi-million dollar facility six hours per day, 180 days per year and have half days at times. The places I worked were operating up to 360 days per year, 24 hours per day and they didn't close if a snowflake was in the air. Overtime was compulsory and if you had a problem with that, there is the door.
 
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re: I wonder what kind of business could succeed if they were operating a multi-million dollar facility six hours per day, 180 days per year and have half days at times.

maybe the White House ???
 
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OK, I'll inject a little humor here..... The Fed Civil Service activity I worked for was part of the Naval Sea Systems Command, or in typical military acronyms, "NAVSEA". When WordPerfect first came out, the suggested auto-replace for NAVSEA was "nausea". We all thought that was a pretty accurate substitute.
 
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Really, I bet you neer served have you? Remember my brothers and sister have fought and died for your safety, just so you can flap your jaws about things you know nothing about
My father was career Air Force, yeah I know some. Many have served with honor... some have not. That's all. Chill out.
 
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I wonder what kind of business could succeed if they were operating a multi-million dollar facility six hours per day, 180 days per year and have half days at times. The places I worked were operating up to 360 days per year, 24 hours per day and they didn't close if a snowflake was in the air. Overtime was compulsory and if you had a problem with that, there is the door.
Lyn…in case you haven’t noticed…. public schools are NOT a business…. but they ARE mandatory in the sense that children are mandated to be educated (at least in most places). Summer “vacation” is also mandated… historically by the PARENTS who wanted the kids home for harvest but these days for family vacation periods.
If the public education system were run like a BUSINESS…. then teachers would be paid more to work with descendants of idiots.
 
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Lyn…in case you haven’t noticed…. public schools are NOT a business…. but they ARE mandatory in the sense that children are mandated to be educated (at least in most places). Summer “vacation” is also mandated… historically by the PARENTS who wanted the kids home for harvest but these days for family vacation periods.
If the public education system were run like a BUSINESS…. then teachers would be paid more to work with descendants of idiots.
I had the false hope that people could think outside of their little boxes.

The average school teacher pay in my school district is $72,382, how much is enough?
 
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I had the false hope that people could think outside of their little boxes.

The average school teacher pay in my school district is $72,382, how much is enough?
Its higher than that here and parents aren't getting their moneys worth.

 

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Any one know what the price of eggs in china is right now?? Just was wondering.. 🤔🤷‍♂️:rolleyes:
 

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Sorry, but my criticism of gubmint is anything but ignorant. Morover, criticism of an entity, rather than a human, is not an "ad hominem" attack.

Finally, though it was once true that government workers were often paid less than those working in the private sector doing jobs requiring similar education and training in exchange for more lucrative benefits and job security, such is largely a myth these days and becoming more so every year.

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It is not a myth. Federal and state government employees are paid less than employees in the private sector if you match like jobs, education and responsibilities. This is reflected in many studies done each year by the labor department and many private think tanks.
 

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Federal and state government employees are paid less than employees in the private sector if you match like jobs, education and responsibilities.
I don’t think it’s possible to compare very many job titles or responsibilities, so I’m discounting the “studies”.
 

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I don’t think it’s possible to compare very many job titles or responsibilities, so I’m discounting the “studies”.
Nonsense. Many jobs are very comparable between public and private sectors: engineering, computer IT specialists, foresters, biologists, etc… Most government jobs have private sector analogs.
 

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Nonsense. Many jobs are very comparable between public and private sectors: engineering, computer IT specialists, foresters, biologists, etc… Most government jobs have private sector analogs.
That’s your opinion which is fine, but I’m just saying I disagree. In the private sector, there is no number of work hour limit and no protections to keep the person employed. So again, not all comparable. There is no “product” to judge an engineer by. They don’t sell them. Customers are forced to use whatever the govt engineer creates. In the private sector, if you create a bad product the business goes out of business.

I’d be willing to bet there are almost zero govt IT specialists that could stay employed in the private sector. The pace is completely different as are the skills with the govt being several years behind the private sector.

Again, feel free to believe what you want, but I disagree. Note: you don’t have to suck to work in the govt, and you don’t have to be a rockstar to work in the private sector.

However, I’ve seen the “quality” of internally produced software for the govt. Frankly, it’s pretty bad, but maybe I just have too high of a standard because some private sector software is pretty bad as well.
 
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That’s your opinion which is fine, but I’m just saying I disagree. In the private sector, there is no number of work hour limit and no protections to keep the person employed. So again, not all comparable. There is no “product” to judge an engineer by. They don’t sell them. Customers are forced to use whatever the govt engineer creates. In the private sector, if you create a bad product the business goes out of business.

I’d be willing to bet there are almost zero govt IT specialists that could stay employed in the private sector. The pace is completely different as are the skills with the govt being several years behind the private sector.

Again, feel free to believe what you want, but I disagree. Note: you don’t have to suck to work in the govt, and you don’t have to be a rockstar to work in the private sector.

However, I’ve seen the “quality” of internally produced software for the govt. Frankly, it’s pretty bad, but maybe I just have too high of a standard because some private sector software is pretty bad as well.
I have often encountered more poor service and bureaucracy in large corporations than federal agencies. I am a federal forester and have also worked for timber industry.
 

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I have often encountered more poor service and bureaucracy in large corporations than federal agencies. I am a federal forester and have also worked for timber industry.
Cool, I’ve seen the reverse. Good that you do a great job for the govt. Again, not all govt employees are bad and not all private sector employees are good.
 
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