COVID-19 Stuff

[bearbait]

What baffles me is why if the leaders and the people in the US are so smart, intelligent and well educated, why is it that we have 1/3 of the total cases in the whole world????

You would think that if we were that smart we wouldn't have let it get out of hand like it has.

But hey we'll just "open back up" and we'll see how this goes!

Kind of make ya wonder doesn't it.

 

[twomany]

Some positive news

The Swiss and Netherlands are preparing to reopen schools.



The decision to reopen schools is based on a wide range of research which shows that young children are unlikely to pass on the virus or develop serious symptoms themselves, according to Jaap van Dissel, head of the public health institute RIVM.

— Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) April 22, 2020

 

[twomany]

Well said Skeets. It just goes right past me WHY I'm selfish by staying as isolated as My Wife & I can. She is is fighting Parkinson's Disease now and doesn't need C19 on top of that. I'll stay selfish plus I don't care who it ticks off.

You are not being selfish to staying isolated. The selfish actions are forcing others to take precautions that may benefit you, but assuredly do not benefit themselves.

When less was known about the Wuhan flu, Prudence required us all to take drastic precautions. Now, real data has replaced those uncertainties.

It is time to stop stealing.

 

[jabloomf1230]

Kind of make ya wonder doesn't it.

I doesn't make me wonder. The US has major airports of entry in both CA and NY. Everyone initially focused on the US West Coast, but the virus attacked via flights to NYC. Too bad that the earth isn't flat.

 

[sheepfarmer]

From the chart of deaths by pre-existing conditions, it indicates those with type-2 diabetes only were at risk, not type-1. Would be interesting to know why the differentiation.

In this reference, both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes are risk factors.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/groups-at-higher-risk.html

There is a risk in taking data from different countries and drawing conclusions about ages and mortality rates of covid. Obesity is a risk factor for serious illness and death from covid. Diabetes and high blood pressure and heart disease, also risk factors, are linked to obesity, called metabolic syndrome when they develop concurrently. The US has among the highest rates of obesity in its population, 36% (Wikipedia). This means a large number of younger people in the work force are at risk of serious illness due to their weight and overall health.

Michigan's death rate has been running between 8 and 10% of reported cases. This is primarily due to insufficient testing being available, but I also wonder if the high rates in poorer regions of the state don't also have to do with less healthy lifestyles and associated obesity. China and Italy have much thinner populations, and so the complications and risk factors for death could be quite different.

The problem with people saying I'm young so why infringe on my rights, is that you might be young and still have risk factors. Furthermore, there are community wide downsides to having a lot of people out sick. Death is not the only outcome. People recover very slowly. The packing plants in SD that tried to carry on as usual, with presumably pretty young people working, are shutdown not only because of testing, but also the numbers of workers out sick. I don't have the statistics on those plants.

 

[skeets]

I was reading, and have been trying to find it. The article said that hospitals have been instructed ( by whom it did not say) to label any death connected with any flu as C 19. I do not know how true that is, but if it is, then all the numbers are BS

 

[SidecarFlip]

I doesn't make me wonder. The US has major airports of entry in both CA and NY. Everyone initially focused on the US West Coast, but the virus attacked via flights to NYC. Too bad that the earth isn't flat.

Add Detroit Metro to that shortlist. Detroit has a huge influx of foreign nationals coming in every day. In fact Detroit had the highest amount of illegal seizures of prohibited contraband of any domestic airport last year. Could be why Metro Detroit is 3rd in the country in Covid related deaths.

Actually the initial blow up in NYC was from the guy who was positive and went to temple and passed to to everyone there, including the Rabbi. Was in New Rochelle. It took of from there, like a bomb. You need to keep in mind that wherever people live in a population concentrated environment, stuff gets outta hand real quick.

 

[SidecarFlip]

I was reading, and have been trying to find it. The article said that hospitals have been instructed ( by whom it did not say) to label any death connected with any flu as C 19. I do not know how true that is, but if it is, then all the numbers are BS

Maybe there, not here. The daily breakdown is listed as Covid and non Covid deaths.

 

[D2Cat]

In this reference, both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes are risk factors.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/groups-at-higher-risk.html

The CDC combines all types of diabetes, however the Italian report did not. I was just wondering how/why the Italian report could do that. Maybe they have different statistical data, but they must have inquired with the patient or they would not know what their diagnosis was.

I suppose it could be a presumption. I know at least one Dr (who is an internist) and declares one is a Type 2 simply because of age. And, many of the Italian population was older. (I think this Dr is a fool for this thinking a a couple of other comments he made, and after one visit refused to make another appointment with him when I discovered his reasoning.)

 

[Poohbear]

It is time to stop stealing.

Huh ? Please complete the explanation of what us old isolated geezers are stealing as I don't get it.

 

[SidecarFlip]

What baffles me is why if the leaders and the people in the US are so smart, intelligent and well educated, why is it that we have 1/3 of the total cases in the whole world????

You would think that if we were that smart we wouldn't have let it get out of hand like it has.

But hey we'll just "open back up" and we'll see how this goes!

Better hold on to your shorts, with no viable vaccine in sight, I suspect the 'ride' will get extremely bumpy.

Me, I prefer to stay on the smooth side of the road.

 

[twomany]

Huh ? Please complete the explanation of what us old isolated geezers are stealing as I don't get it.

I've thought about this.

What are we stealing?

Well, TIME really. If "we" old geezers accept, support and demand continuation of shutdown decrees in the light of the realized data associated with the virus, we are "stealing" the life and lively hoods from the younger ones who thus far, are not seriously effected by the illness. If the closures are not part of your sentiments, GOOD on ya' mate!

Dollars and SENSE says, why curtail the activities of over 1/2 our nation's population (those under 50, the earning half, at that), when it is the "other < half" that should be protected / isolated?

The kickback on the error is the significant increase to our nations debt. How many trillions? and to who? Stimulus to the general population is a fraction of the total increased debt. Debt that our children's, children will be saddled with, interest and principle, if history is consulted. Stealing, in my opinion, for they have no voice.

I accept that we, as individuals now, can do little to stop this absurdity. We have a representative constitutional republic government. We made our bed when we voted. now we lay in it. The closures were correct when little was known of the epidemic. Now, we can, and should open our eyes to the data, and adjust our expectations , and our personal behaviors.

Continued imposition via restrictions of activities on others is not the way forward.

What did we do only two years ago? Nothing!
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

and this season was projected to be even worse....until the Wuhan flu hit. It's almost like the weather news. So much hype and fear.

Respond to the DATA!

I'm liking what Sweden is doing. It is working for them....so far.

 

[twomany]

I doesn't make me wonder. The US has major airports of entry in both CA and NY. Everyone initially focused on the US West Coast, but the virus attacked via flights to NYC. Too bad that the earth isn't flat.

The initial out break was the PNW, What changed?

 

[Lil Foot]

I'm liking what Sweden is doing. It is working for them....so far.

But Sweden admitted today that they have a higher infection rate & higher death rate than countries around them that have more restrictions in place.

 

[torch]

I'm sure you can do the math

Ok, I did the math. Kids under 20 are not dying from Covid very often, and probably don't earn much anyway. So to fit the listed age categories, let us assume that wage earners start at 15 and retire by 65 years of age.

According to those tables, 6,837 deaths were wage earner aged. 26,667 were post-retirement age. So more than 20% of all US Covid deaths thus far are working-age people.

Do post-retirement age persons represent the majority of deaths? Absolutely. Are the number of working age persons represented insignificant? Absolutely not.

(Personally, I suspect the number of dead seniors would be lower if our society didn't habitually lock them up in those institutional cesspools we euphemistically call "Nursing Homes". But then, so would the number of dead nurses.)

 

[torch]

Oh, and before you compare Covid to the flu again, bear in mind that the mortality rate of last year's flu was 0.17%. Thus far the mortality rate of Covid seems to be somewhere around 6%, making Covid 35 times more deadly than the flu.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

If you go by the www.worldometer.com covid -19 numbers....

3,000,000 infected worldwide
of those... 1,000,000 in the USA , so 1/3 of infections
of those... 300,000 in NY state , so 1/3 of infected
of the confirmed case with an outcome ( live or die)... 1/3 die

yes, I've 'rounded' the numbers a tad as it's easier to see...
stats like 1/9 ( that's 1 in 9 ) people infected are in NY state....
the scary one is the USA death rate of 30% ( that's pretty close to 1/3 [33.3%])

 

[bearbait]

Oh, and before you compare Covid to the flu again, bear in mind that the mortality rate of last year's flu was 0.17%. Thus far the mortality rate of Covid seems to be somewhere around 6%, making Covid 35 times more deadly than the flu.

And the worst part is Covid is far from finished with the killing I'm sorry to say. There is new progress being made each day so keep your fingers crossed.

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/dartmouth-lab-getting-closer-to-developing-covid-19-vaccine-1.4917469

 

[torch]

the scary one is the USA death rate of 30% ( that's pretty close to 1/3 [33.3%])

I think that's a bit high. It's difficult to establish the exact rate during the course of an epidemic (see https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ for a good explanation). Reasonably current official estimates I've seen vary from 5.7% to 22%. I picked 6% as a reasonable estimate in a western society with first-world standards of health care. And that number turns out to be very close to the Canadian experience thus far.

 

[jabloomf1230]

Please everyone just stop with these "patient #1" theories. This virus was introduced in parallel by literally thousands of infected people arriving on commercial airline flights on both coasts. The NYC infection did not spread from just one guy in New Rochelle. It spread from JFK airport. Trump had the right idea in banning flights from China. Unfortunately, the backdoor invasion from Europe was not considered.