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[GWD]

Next we could talk about Kubota filters vs Fram

The filter issue has been mulled over ad nausium. The price difference is so minor compared to the price of the tractor and the amount of times the filter is changed that there is no reason to go cheap on the filter.

If you really don't want to use Kubota filters, Wix (NAPA) usually has a direct replacement - except for the high priced transmission filters on some of the larger tractors.

 

[Bulldog]

I think my wallet had a heart attack the last time I ordered filters from Kubota.

 

[Kickstart]

The filter issue has been mulled over ad nausium. The price difference is so minor compared to the price of the tractor and the amount of times the filter is changed that there is no reason to go cheap on the filter.

If you really don't want to use Kubota filters, Wix (NAPA) usually has a direct replacement - except for the high priced transmission filters on some of the larger tractors.

Lets forget about the $$ and the price of the Tractor for a minute and just talk about the filters.

You say there is no reason to go cheap on the filters but do you know anything about the Kubota filter and what I mean by that is the micron ratings?

Fram has 4 grades each not only filtering but holding more particles so they claim.

I like to put the very best filter I can get on everything I own, so if you can, please tell me more about the Kubota filters.

Thanks

 

[GWD]

Lets forget about the $$ and the price of the Tractor for a minute and just talk about the filters.

You say there is no reason to go cheap on the filters but do you know anything about the Kubota filter and what I mean by that is the micron ratings?

Fram has 4 grades each not only filtering but holding more particles so they claim.

I like to put the very best filter I can get on everything I own, so if you can, please tell me more about the Kubota filters.

Thanks

Detail #1: The Kubota filter satisfies the warranty requirements.
Detail #2: See #1.

 

[Kickstart]

Detail #1: The Kubota filter satisfies the warranty requirements.
Detail #2: See #1.

So you got nothing!

 

[GWD]

So you got nothing!

I got a warranty that if the Kubota filter fails for any reason and it results in engine failure then Kubota replaces the engine.

Fram, Wix, Hastings, Pennzoil, etc. - not so much.

I really don't care if Kubota subcontracts the filters out to a Chinese company that pays schoolkids 10 cents an hour to stuff used toilet paper in a Pepsi can, paint it orange (or gray) and ship it to the USA. I'll go with the warranty every time for a dollar more.

Ever heard of a Kubota filter failing? Thought not. Me either.

 

[Bulldog]

This is what I have seen for myself. There is a difference in the Kubota filters. The ones made in Japan seem to be better built than the others. I have noticed that on certain filters it feels like a weight difference. The ones made in the USA seem to be okay. I have a issue with the ones made in Mexico. Every one that I have looked at have a white ckalky powder on them. The air filters are the worst but I have seen it on some oil filters. I quit buying any filters from the dealer in Dalton just because they only carried the ones from Mexico. I guess the mexicans who are coming to Dalton illegally to work in the carpet mills and chicken plants are bringing them in when they sneek across the border. The dealer said that it was normal but I don't think it's normal to buy a new oil filter and it have some sort of chalky powder in it. I don't know what is but I don't want it in my engine. The dealer I go to in Chattanooga doesn't buy the filters from Mexico for this reason.

Has anyone else ever seen this powder stuff that I'm talking about. Like I said, I have only seen this on the ones from Mexico.

 

[Kickstart]

I got a warranty that if the Kubota filter fails for any reason and it results in engine failure then Kubota replaces the engine.
(You Hope)

Fram, Wix, Hastings, Pennzoil, etc. - not so much.

I really don't care if Kubota subcontracts the filters out to a Chinese company that pays schoolkids 10 cents an hour to stuff used toilet paper in a Pepsi can, paint it orange (or gray) and ship it to the USA. I'll go with the warranty every time for a dollar more.

(You should care about that scenario)

Ever heard of a Kubota filter failing? Thought not. Me either.

Have never had any filter fail, and like most don't have any way to verify how well they filter.

 

[Kickstart]

This is what I have seen for myself. There is a difference in the Kubota filters. The ones made in Japan seem to be better built than the others. I have noticed that on certain filters it feels like a weight difference. The ones made in the USA seem to be okay. I have a issue with the ones made in Mexico. Every one that I have looked at have a white ckalky powder on them. The air filters are the worst but I have seen it on some oil filters. I quit buying any filters from the dealer in Dalton just because they only carried the ones from Mexico. I guess the mexicans who are coming to Dalton illegally to work in the carpet mills and chicken plants are bringing them in when they sneek across the border. The dealer said that it was normal but I don't think it's normal to buy a new oil filter and it have some sort of chalky powder in it. I don't know what is but I don't want it in my engine. The dealer I go to in Chattanooga doesn't buy the filters from Mexico for this reason.

Has anyone else ever seen this powder stuff that I'm talking about. Like I said, I have only seen this on the ones from Mexico.

Have not seen this but agree with you on not buying them.

 

[Bulldog]

Never know, coming from Mexico it could be left over drugs. Either way, I don't want it going in my Kubota. They are already diesel fuel junkies, I don't need them hooked on anything else.

 

[KubotaTech]

If you want to talk filters, get 2 to compare and cut them open. You can easily tell what is better really quick. Check out the paper in a fram filter- cheapest thing out there.

 

[Kickstart]

If you want to talk filters, get 2 to compare and cut them open. You can easily tell what is better really quick. Check out the paper in a fram filter- cheapest thing out there.

I have done that and looking at the paper or whatever they use does not tell you anything about the filtering quality. FRAM has 4 types of filtering media http://www.fram.com/products/oil_filters/product_list
which one did you look at?


There have been several limited independant studies / tests over the years. I guess the filter company has no interest in testing if they don't have to.

I would have no problem paying $$, I would just like to know what I'm paying for.

Let's face it when you buy a oil filter you really don't know what your getting.

 

[KennyV]

If you want to talk filters, get 2 to compare and cut them open. You can easily tell what is better really quick. Check out the paper in a fram filter- cheapest thing out there.

Not only the cheep media.. the method of assembly and other components inside the filter...
I can not imagine what filter could be worse than a FRAM... KennyV

 

[eserv]

Engines are ruined by neglect, Use a reputable oil and filter and change it at the recommended interval and you will have no lubrication issues. The air filter is just as important as the oil filter, maybe even more important, after all, any dirt that gets into your oil filter must get past the air filter first. If the air filter is doing it's job the only thing the oil filter must catch is the metal that wears of the internal components of the engine. This should be very little on a normal oil change interval!

Ed

 

[Kickstart]

Not only the cheep media.. the method of assembly and other components inside the filter...
I can not imagine what filter could be worse than a FRAM... KennyV

Kenny, sounds like maybe your the guy to talk to about filters, so I have a few general questions.

1. How do you determine cheep media?

2. You mention other components, could you expand on what other components you are talking about and what to look for?

3. Method of assembly? what do you look for?

Appreciate you feedback

 

[KennyV]

Kenny, sounds like maybe your the guy to talk to about filters, so I have a few general questions.

1. How do you determine cheep media?

2. You mention other components, could you expand on what other components you are talking about and what to look for?

3. Method of assembly? what do you look for?

Appreciate you feedback

I am not necessarily the guy to talk to about filters...
I am a guy with opinions about filters.
My opinions are based on personal experience and direct comparison.
I have opened my choices of filters and compared what is inside. There are definite differences as to what you will find. Both in quantity and quality.
Quantity is easy to see and quality is rather subjective, but you will see some structural difference. Valve, springs and supports. Open several yourself, you do not need to be an engineer to see what is inside new, NOT used filters.

I'm not going to try to prove there is a difference, you can spend a few $$ and draw your own conclusions.
Using a fram is not necessarily going to destroy your engine, the same as using mineral oil vs synthetic... But if you want to use the best for your $$ you should see what to avoid as well as what is best for your application.

Like I said "I can not imagine what filter could be worse than a FRAM" (and I have a fairly good imagination). I have seen some that are better. and I use them. KennyV

 

[Kickstart]

I am not necessarily the guy to talk to about filters...
I am a guy with opinions about filters.
My opinions are based on personal experience and direct comparison.
I have opened my choices of filters and compared what is inside. There are definite differences as to what you will find. Both in quantity and quality.
Quantity is easy to see and quality is rather subjective, but you will see some structural difference. Valve, springs and supports. Open several yourself, you do not need to be an engineer to see what is inside new, NOT used filters.

I'm not going to try to prove there is a difference, you can spend a few $$ and draw your own conclusions.
Using a fram is not necessarily going to destroy your engine, the same as using mineral oil vs synthetic... But if you want to use the best for your $$ you should see what to avoid as well as what is best for your application.

Like I said "I can not imagine what filter could be worse than a FRAM" (and I have a fairly good imagination). I have seen some that are better. and I use them. KennyV

Well Kenny I was hoping you had some solid facts not just opinions.
I used Fram only as an example not as the best or worst filter because I have no positive way to make that statment.
I have open many filters over the years but opening a filter and looking at the components does not really tell you anything.

The paper or filtering media could be very thin and be better than something that feels thicker due to what it's made from. It's impossible to make an intelligent comparison if you don't know what your comparing.

Maybe we will never know for sure unless there is a QA Engineer lurking somewhere.

And we all know about Opinions, kinda like assume!

 

[GWD]

Maybe the baiting will stop with these links:

http://www.bestcovery.com/best-oil-filter

And here is one with several sublinks that should keep anyone interested occupied for some time.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1572697

 

[KennyV]

Very few people go beyond looking inside filters to do anything positive about treating used oil...
If you really want to clean up your oil you can go to bypass filters, they are spectacular for clearing small particulates.
ANY filter will filter large pieces, your not likely going to find any difference in suspended particulates in a regular filtration system...
any filter that dose not have an internal failure will be fine.
With only that bit of factual information, you don't need to be an engineer to see the quality difference inside the filters. That will give you some reason to suspect what brand will most likely have the least failures and those brands that could lead to a failure.
I personally believe that you could remove all the contents from any filter, weld it back together and run it with no media at all... if you change oil at regular recommended intervals you most likely will never have a oil related problem...
This is with using a good quality lubricant.
The thing is, if you are going to buy something and use it you "should" attempt to buy the better rather than the, seems to be 'good enough'...
My point may be boiled down to the fact that almost any, (even the worst) is going to work... BUT if it should fail while working there is a potential of flushing a lot of accumulated debris should the internal structure fail... There fore, I am mainly going to look for some quality in construction as to what materials, how much and how well it is packaged... NOT so much in the actual ability to remove particulates... KennyV

 

[Kickstart]

Maybe the baiting will stop with these links:

http://www.bestcovery.com/best-oil-filter

And here is one with several sublinks that should keep anyone interested occupied for some time.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1572697

Thanks, some good info there.

Baiting? lively debate maybe.
Just want to use the best filter I can on my new toy and really don't care about the cost.