Can I make Diesel from gas and oil

[rick sheltra]

Well here I am stuck in 40" of snow and out of diesel... I saw some youtube videos on how to do it but thought I might look here and see what the forum thinks. I just need a gallon or so. I see most people use 80% WMO and 20% Gas
Anybody ever tried it? Its an emergency or I wouldn't even try this...
oh yeah its a b7100 4wd diesel like 1986 or so
thanks for any input I have to get this 1/4 mile cleared soon.

Snowed in MD/WV

 

[85Hokie]

Well here I am stuck in 40" of snow and out of diesel... I saw some youtube videos on how to do it but thought I might look here and see what the forum thinks. I just need a gallon or so. I see most people use 80% WMO and 20% Gas
Anybody ever tried it? Its an emergency or I wouldn't even try this...
oh yeah its a b7100 4wd diesel like 1986 or so
thanks for any input I have to get this 1/4 mile cleared soon.

Snowed in MD/WV

gonna say, NO, not sure I would want to go there. To do it correctly, you need time, and quite a bit of it, so that the particulates have a chance to settle out - based on the readings, that take 24+ hours or more.

What you are really saying is that you cannot get out and get diesel for the tractor?

 

[Diydave]

Got any heating oil in your furnace? Neighbor's trucks? I'd run that before experimenting with unknowns...

 

[D2Cat]

Like's been said, do anything but your plan!!!!

siphon from a truck, tractor, fuel oil fired heating stove, or just wait until you can get some of the real McCoy.

You experiment and mess up, you just spent and bunch of time a $2000 to replace your engine.

If you're so far out you can't come up with a substitute take this problem as a lesson in preparation.

Kinda like you learned in organized sports: anticipate!

 

[rick sheltra]

Thanks to those who answered.
Guess I deserve the scolding for running out of fuel for the first time I can remeber in my 67 years
Yes I am far out and since snow is over my waste I just can't even reach a neighbor sheep farm where I could get fuel
Having hard time just getting to the barn to feed and water animals
I will just wait it out I guess rather than risk damage to engine
It's already way overdue to replace head gasket as I am losing compression after a few hours of operation, it is unbelievable how this tractor has performed under the conditions. I can't wait till summer to get back to repairing it
I appreciate the advice, response from the members
I did not expect the diesel container I had my fuel in to crack in 0 degree weather. But it did
Snow melt is 2-3 inches per day.. Should be able to get out in a week or so, I'll read more orange tractor talks!
Again thanks!!

 

[D2Cat]

Rick, thanks for replying back.

It good to know you're safe. Don't go out in that depth of snow and cold air to try to do something that can set you back. Life is too important.

As you set and read OTT you'll come up with an idea. Maybe a friend will call to see how you're doing and be able to assist. Maybe you'll suddenly remember where you have a container of fuel stashed under a bench!!

Stay safe and warm.

 

[rick sheltra]

Thanks to everyone! I will not try to make my own diesel.
I watched quite a few youtube videos on how to do it. Of course many many farmers using what they call black diesel for years and no problems. They were mostly using WMO. I was gonna try with new 10w40 and gas so after all the reading it seemed it would just mix without the wait for WMO to settle. There were many posts about WVO as well. I just cant believe so many cars and other equipment can run on WVO or WMO without affecting performance. It seems it does but people seem to deal with it

"I typed in how to make gas from diesel" many posts. Many many arguments and testimonials from everyday farmers and then the chemists of the bunch who just tell them they are crazy, and it will not work.
It seems to me the ones who make sense are the ones who are trying to just extend the volume of diesel they have by diluting it with WVO.

SInce I am stuck here and prepared with 10K gas generator and plenty of food I think I will take the time to read more on the subject.

We have very small farm with about 100 chickens, and a brand new hatching in this storm of 30 chicks and some alpacas we rescued.

The alpacas are happy they are in their element

we are at the tip of MD where MD/WV/VA meet about 1 mile from Harpers Ferry. Weather is always extreme when it happens and the winds that come up through the river valleys are drifting snow everywhere.

Getting cabin fever so I guess I'm talking to much...
again thanks to all. I rebuilt my steering with the help of this forums fine people and I cant wait as I am finally retired to try and rebuild engine.
I love OTT
I'm hoping my closest neighbor is using his snowblower to get to the main road by foot. that would give me a path...its just getting to his house that could kill me
Ill never bitch about the power company again as it never went off and we are in a rural setting.
thank you all

 

[D2Cat]

Rick, the folks mixing diesel with WMO are using it in older engines.

I have a 1984 Ford F250 with the 6.9. I have a filter system I made where I would use WMO and mix with diesel. The ratio depended on the temperature I was operating in. I put my mixture in the rear tank. Used the front tank only for On Road Diesel. I would start the engine with On Road. After warming up I would switch to rear tank. Run all day (usually halling hay), then switch back to front tank 5/6 miles from home.

I would not think of doing that concoction in my Cummins, Kubota, Deutz engines. I might do it in the old Case 730, but it has 3 fuel filters and the final filter alone cost about $30. Too much trouble.

 

[Diydave]

Hmm, got a yoke fer them alpacas?

 

[forceten]

Your in the middle of nowhere and not running oil for heat?

 

[rick sheltra]

Hey everybody....
All I can say about the alpacas is I am so glad I did not invest in the alpaca biz like many others around the MD area....
People lost life savings... I'm not an expert on alpacas at all but from what I have read they were a lot more valuable BEFORE they started infiltrating the herds with imports... Doesn't matter to me I like them and they needed help so we took them.... Very curious animals. They sure are low maintenance all they do is walk around and chew on hay

WE are only about 3 miles from the nearest town, gas station and about 10 miles from diesel. Not really in the middle of nowhere but it feels like it right now...The driveway is about 1'2 mile long so that is the challenge I can see US rt 340 in the distance and it has been closed for a while and now I see traffic so I guess its clear now.

We used to use oil and then propane but then the electric energy efficient heat pump along with wood heat served us well. We are so fortunate the electric is underground and we rarely have power issues. ..
Now that oil is cheap again I might switch back...sure could have used it for the tractor

The neighbor that is approx. 1/2 mile away has made a walkway about 1/4 mile long with his snowblower. I am going to try and find a friend who can bring me a can of diesel up the walkway so I can get to plowing..
biggest challenge will be just getting to the walkway LOL.
I never knew it would be so difficult to walk in snow that high.... actually it isn't hard I'm just old

I keep looking in the fuel tank and I am finally at the point I have to stop. It has maybe an ounce of fuel left... I think God was doing like the loaves of bread and making it last as long as possible.
I don't want to have to prime the diesel if it runs out. I have only had to do that on large trucks when I was driving commercially in upstate new York. It wasn't hard but in those days it gelled up easily and of course the fuel lines hung down at the bottom so it would freeze on top of that! What I do remember is that it was messy as hell and I hate getting that diesel smell all over everything LOL
I have a close friend who is a reefer mechanic for carrier and he will help me with parts as most reefers run a D750 Kubota engine.
I should have bought the one he rebuilt and I listed on ebay for him. It looked new..just didn't have the 1800.

We are slowly melting however weather says the next few nights will be in the teens and then finally on Friday and Saturday 58-60 degrees yea!!! Now we will have mud everywhere.....

Thanks to you all for the advice and I will be back very soon as I try and rebuild some things on my old b7100 with the help of this great bunch of people on OTT
Rick

 

[rick sheltra]

Finally got fuel and got driveway plowed. I was backing up the driveway to end the 8 hour day of plowing and the tractor sputtered and stopped. I knew the sound OUT OF FUEL ! DAMN

So now I need to re prime engine right?

Do I loosen all 3 fuel intakes on motor and pour fuel in there? I cant remember.

On trucks there was usually a push pump primer but here I have to manually pour it in right?

Thanks for any help anyone can give...I am gonna go try and get the diesel smell off me and take a break...
Driveway is cleared but tractor is blocking it...

If I can drag it with the car that's what ill do but all is frozen right now temps dropped again. Ill try tomorrow.
Another question front end bucket is down can I crank the engine and raise the blade a few inches? I didn't try it yet but I was thinking that might lift it

ANyway thanks in advance for any advice
Rick

 

[85Hokie]

Do I loosen all 3 fuel intakes on motor and pour fuel in there? I cant remember.

NO -- DONT DO THAT !!!!

On trucks there was usually a push pump primer but here I have to manually pour it in right? NO!


If I can drag it with the car that's what ill do but all is frozen right now temps dropped again. Ill try tomorrow. DONT DRAG IT - LET HER SIT RIGHT THERE !

Another question front end bucket is down can I crank the engine and raise the blade a few inches? I didn't try it yet but I was thinking that might lift it

YOU'LL COOK THE STARTER AND I DONT THINK THAT WILL EVEN WORK!

Fill ur tank with some fresh diesel,

watch this video - this will explain whatcha gots to do!!!

http://www.orangetractortalks.com/2008/11/how-to-bleed-kubota-fuelinjector-lines/

 

[D2Cat]

What I'd do...fill the tank with diesel. Move throttle to full on. Crank engine with 10-15 seconds burst. Wait 10 seconds. Try again. If you do this half a dozen times it may catch and try to start. A couple of more times and it may start. It will probably not run smooth, but let it just set there and run the best it can for 5-10 minutes. It will then clear up. Go on with life!!

Don't disconnect any piping until you're satisfied it will not start without doing so.

 

[rick sheltra]

thank you all for the advice. Gonna get some sleep and give it a try tomorrow.
Glad I asked OTT before I tried...

Ill post my results tomorrow.

 

[rick sheltra]

Hey 85Hokie thanks for pointing me to the right vic video! I was shown how to do that years ago so glad to have it in video.

Had to tow tractor out of driveway we run small ebay biz and haven't shipped our orders for 5 days

I did have to raise bucket and doing what I said worked fine I cranked twice while I held the UP lever and it went up a few inches so I could tow without dragging bucket

That video also showed me about the compression release which I did not know was even there because that was not hooked up when I bought it...and the bleeder valve if I have to which I probably will as I have never replaced the fuel filter...I can just imagine what is in my filter after running out of fuel

so anyway I did not have to bleed system
I followed D2cat suggestion and that worked for me. I had to crank a lttle longer then I wanted however it was like 20 degrees out so that probably helped me out a bit.
Looking forward to next week expecting 60 degrees Maybe I can work on it.

I was wondering here is a pic of id plate and number stamped in frame..why does the frame number have b7001 but the model is b7100? just curious...how do you tell if its grey market?

Again thanks to everyone
Rick

I couldn't figure out how to post the picture...it says it wants a urrl to my pic where would I find that

 

[85Hokie]

let talk about how to upload pics first.

make sure it is on computer.....
click the paperclip,
find the photo
hit upload,
in that window at the bottom left - it will show you % of uploaded picture
and then - make sure you hit "close window"
and you should be fine

here look at this:


The Kubota B7100 was not available in the late 1980s, after that only the hydrostatic was available. Early model B7100 serial numbers began with "B7001", which is the Asian-market model designation.

 

[rick sheltra]

OK thanks got the pic uploaded
is it what they call grey market?

 

[Tooljunkie]

Im not sure if its grey market, my id tag has Japanese writing on it.

This one is grey market.

Glad you got it going, obviously you didnt try to start it after tank was empty.
I watched the (brains) of the outfit run one out and tried for ten minutes to start it before looking at fuel guage. Kept trying after i said stop. Took a while to get it going. Not to mention it was way below freezing outside.

 

[rick sheltra]

I have to say I just don't know how this tractor just keeps going?
I have barely done anything to it and it still runs.
Oil looks like black mud! It looks like you have to remove the side panel to get to the oil filter. It looks like original filter but I'm not sure. Supposed to be warm again tomorrow so I am gonna try and work on it again.
Anyone know the Kunitz oil filter part number or cross ref number to another brand?
Thanks
Rick