M7060HD12 Vs MF 4707

[SDT]

I'm fairly sure that @ethanbrush is more concerned about probability than possibility. There are no end of "possibilities" if you want to go down that rabbit hole.

BTDT.

 

[SDT]

I just talked with them. He said that unit came in around very end of 2023. Said we could order one from the factory, lead time about 2.5 months. I do like to keep my tractor under cover and am not in any hurry, so maybe I will request the fresh one.....

Wise decision.

 

[ethanbrush]

Guys, help me out again, I am having a tire/wheel crisis:

Wise decision.

That is over 6 months sitting out in the weather (presumably). If they offer me a discount for the existing iron I may go for it, but for the same price, I think Ill wait. Thanks for that heads up.

 

[Moose7060]

Tractors, balers, semis, cars and trucks and a lot more equipment sits outside for 6 months or more before and AFTER purchase to no ill effect. Don't see an issue what so ever.

 

[ethanbrush]

Tractors, balers, semis, cars and trucks and a lot more equipment sits outside for 6 months or more before and AFTER purchase to no ill effect. Don't see an issue what so ever.

Sure its only 7 months, but if its the same price for a factory new one, which one you gunna take?

 

[Moose7060]

Sure its only 7 months, but if its the same price for a factory new one, which one you gunna take?

The one I can get first. Factory new is factory new, as long as it is not years difference in ages. One already on the lot has more room for negotiation than when ordering. No different than buying a truck the dealership is sitting on versus having them ordering one. They are more motivated moving the one they have on hand. As long as everything is identical, 7 months for a tractor or truck on a lot is nothing.

 

[mcmxi]

Sure its only 7 months, but if its the same price for a factory new one, which one you gunna take?

You're the one paying for it so you should get what you want. That's really all that matters.

These days the price of an ordered tractor isn't locked in even with a deposit, so if there's a price increase between the time you order and delivery you might be on the hook for more than you expected.

The fact that you're in no rush to get the tractor gives you options and I would most likely place an order and add on exactly what I want in terms of options. I've ordered two tractors, and bought two off the lot and been happy with all four of them.

If the late 2023 model had the options I wanted and it meant getting the tractor sooner I'd have no problem with it sitting on a lot for seven months. If you're going to keep the tractor for many years it won't matter if it was made in 2023 or 2024. The tractor you order could have been made in 2023 too. As was mentioned earlier, tractors are dated based on the year they're sold, not the year they're made.

 

[BAP]

Sure its only 7 months, but if its the same price for a factory new one, which one you gunna take?

There is always the possibility that a “factory new” delivered in 2-1/2 to 3 months from now is NOT going to be the same price if there is price increases.

 

[ethanbrush]

I will revisit the situation with him next week. He did say they were the same price. But I will push him again on this, propose I would be willing to take the existing one but I expect a discount.


Not having the tractor for two and a half months is actually a benefit in my situation.

I will ask him also about price increases, although I am skeptical we would agree on a price and I would pay for it and then they would charge me more.

 

[PaulL]

I will revisit the situation with him next week. He did say they were the same price. But I will push him again on this, propose I would be willing to take the existing one but I expect a discount.


Not having the tractor for two and a half months is actually a benefit in my situation.

I will ask him also about price increases, although I am skeptical we would agree on a price and I would pay for it and then they would charge me more.

In my country (NZ) if you pay for something and have a signed agreement, they can't change the price. I see people reporting that it happened to them in the USA. I'm dubious that they actually had a signed purchase agreement with a price and a down payment, as even in the USA I don't see how someone can break a contract (which is what a purchase agreement is). I'm sure you can get some certainty that they won't change the price if you specifically ask whether it's a binding legal agreement.

 

[mcmxi]

In my country (NZ) if you pay for something and have a signed agreement, they can't change the price. I see people reporting that it happened to them in the USA. I'm dubious that they actually had a signed purchase agreement with a price and a down payment, as even in the USA I don't see how someone can break a contract (which is what a purchase agreement is). I'm sure you can get some certainty that they won't change the price if you specifically ask whether it's a binding legal agreement.

How is the situation in NZ relevant to what happens in the US? Short answer ... it's not.

If you finance a tractor through Kubota, you don't sign the paperwork and start the loan until you take possession of the tractor. All you do is put down a deposit, and all you can guarantee is that you'll get your deposit back if you don't end up buying the tractor. It is absolutely within Kubota's rights to change the price as you're waiting on the toy du jour to show up, assuming that you haven't paid for it in full.

During the supply chain shortage, many dealers weren't allowing anyone to pay in full due to extended delivery times. The dealership would eat the cost if there was difference in price between the time the order was placed and delivery.

 

[PaulL]

How is the situation in NZ relevant to what happens in the US? Short answer ... it's not.

If you finance a tractor through Kubota, you don't sign the paperwork and start the loan until you take possession of the tractor. All you do is put down a deposit, and all you can guarantee is that you'll get your deposit back if you don't end up buying the tractor. It is absolutely within Kubota's rights to change the price as you're waiting on the toy du jour to show up, assuming that you haven't paid for it in full.

During the supply chain shortage, many dealers weren't allowing anyone to pay in full due to extended delivery times. The dealership would eat the cost if there was difference in price between the time the order was placed and delivery.

So, if you pay for it in full then you get the promised price? As I said, in my opinion there's always a way to get a binding agreement if you want to.

 

[mcmxi]

So, if you pay for it in full then you get the promised price? As I said, in my opinion there's always a way to get a binding agreement if you want to.

Many people can't afford to hand over $50k in cash for a new tractor, or if they have the money don't want to for any number of reasons, so there isn't always a way. Sometimes the only reasonable option is to solve the problem in front of you regardless of what others think. For the vast majority, a tractor is a luxury and not a necessity, and unless you're making money from that tractor it will always be that way.

 

[ItBmine]

On one hand i feel like the M6060/7060 is a bit dated. IMO they should all be at least 12x12. Also could have some of the transmission features some of the newer tractors have. But then again, since it has been around a long time, it is proven. I am always skeptical to buy some new design no matter how slick it seems.

Do any of you find the steering to be underpowered? I have heard that complaint.

The 6060/7060 are dated.....because they have been updated by the M4 series. The 60 series is now the economy utility model. Though the price increase through covid does not reflect "economy" any more.

I was in the process of buying one last December and overnight the price went from 66 thousand Canadian to 74 so I walked away and never looked back.

 

[ethanbrush]

I was in the process of buying one last December and overnight the price went from 66 thousand Canadian to 74 so I walked away and never looked back.

And you are still walking cuz u don't have a tractor, bummer, sorry man

 

[mcmxi]

The 6060/7060 are dated.....because they have been updated by the M4 series.

"Dated" is an interesting word. It's typically used in a negative context with the implication that a better product has replaced the "dated" one. I'm not sure that the M4 is a better tractor. The M5 offers more/bigger engine options, but there isn't much not to like about the M6060/M7060 tractors, and they're still being made.

The cab and controls of my M6060 are as nice as any tractor model from the M6060 down, and it's way more capable than any of the models too, and not just by a small margin. I would without a doubt buy an M6060/M7060 again, and would skip the M4 for an M5.

 

[SDT]

"Dated" is an interesting word. It's typically used in a negative context with the implication that a better product has replaced the "dated" one. I'm not sure that the M4 is a better tractor. The M5 offers more/bigger engine options, but there isn't much not to like about the M6060/M7060 tractors, and they're still being made.

The cab and controls of my M6060 are as nice as any tractor model from the M6060 down, and it's way more capable than any of the models too, and not just by a small margin. I would without a doubt buy an M6060/M7060 again, and would skip the M4 for an M5.

I would, have, and always will skip any models that require DEF.

 

[mcmxi]

I would, have, and always will skip any models that require DEF.

DEF doesn't scare me and no doubt an F450 Super Duty DRW that I plan to buy in a couple of years will have DPF and DEF. The M6060/7060 tractors don't have a DEF system, only a DPF system.

 

[ethanbrush]

Well guys I finalized the deal for the tractor, the M7060 12 SPD yesterday. It's a factory order, will take 2.5 months.

 

[mcmxi]

Well guys I finalized the deal for the tractor, the M7060 12 SPD yesterday. It's a factory order, will take 2.5 months.

Nice and congratulations! I'm sure you're going to be very happy with it as I am with mine.

As I've mentioned in the past, if I'd ordered a tractor it would be the one you've ordered, but the price of the M6060 on the lot was way too good to pass up. There are companies selling ECU upgrades that add quite a bit more hp to the 6060, but frankly, it does everything I could possibly need as it currently sits.