Wheel and tire wt
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Did you try Artificial Ignorance ..??
“A 15x19.5 R4 tire and wheel assembly can weigh between 104 and 170 pounds, depending on the specific tire type and construction. A tire only, without the wheel, can weigh between 104 and 170 lbs,”
I guess they must have weighed it with an invisible wheel.
From what I found it will weigh between 225 to 239lbs per tire and wheel.
Antifreeze will add about 279 lbs per tire, to a total of 504 to 518 lbs per tire.
Is that enough rear ballest for an L3301 HST with 525 FEL?
What is everyones take in this?
Don
Antifreeze will add about 279 lbs per tire, to a total of 504 to 518 lbs per tire.
Is that enough rear ballest for an L3301 HST with 525 FEL?
What is everyones take in this?
Don
You don’t mention what you are trying to lift that requires ballast…but unless you’re trying to lift over 2K pounds….(and a 525 loader isn’t rated for that much)…. You may not need ballast at all.
Ballast is a lot of expense and trouble in my opinon. My tires have air in them. Nothing else.
I typically lift 1500 lbs with my 1002 FEL and never have any problems. (if you DO lift so much it makes you too light in the rear-end…use 4WD …make no fast or sharp turns….and keep the load LOW.)
My property ( lawn ) is not level if I try to go up hill ( not steep ) with only 50 to 100 lbs in the loader I have to use 4wd.
If I have my forks on and trying to lift anything the rear gets light fast!
I had a L3010 that had water in the rear tires (420-70x24 tires) and if I did not have the BH on or nothing on the 3pt it still got lighy if I was moving gravel or wet dirt!
I do not have anything on the 3pt on this tractor except a middle buster used foe cleaning my ditches.
I have a hard time trying to dig up sod on level ground!
Don
If I have my forks on and trying to lift anything the rear gets light fast!
I had a L3010 that had water in the rear tires (420-70x24 tires) and if I did not have the BH on or nothing on the 3pt it still got lighy if I was moving gravel or wet dirt!
I do not have anything on the 3pt on this tractor except a middle buster used foe cleaning my ditches.
I have a hard time trying to dig up sod on level ground!
Don
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L4701, T2290, WC68, grapple, BB1572, Farmi W50R, Howes 500, 16kW IMD gen, WG24
Rears on mine are loaded (~1100lb total). Still need about 600lb on the 3 point to utilize full loader capacity in less than ideal, real world, rarely flat conditions.
3 point ballast has the advantage of transferring weight from the front axle to rear, which is arguably an advantage over wheel weights or liquid ballast for loader work. That may or may not be intuitive, but the physics of that has been beat to death in several other threads.
Wheel weights and liquid ballast are better for increased traction. (A 550lb box blade is decent counterweight for loader work but does nothing to increase traction when it’s on the ground cutting dirt.)
Liquid ballast adds much more weight than wheel weights and is less expensive. Your wheels may or may not have the option of weights. (Check the OM for your model for details.)
Liquid ballast is better at increasing stability due to having a COG lower than the axle in contrast to wheel weights which have COG at axle center. (A tractor tire “full” of liquid is ~75% liquid, 25% air by volume.)
Tractors the size of ours are multi-use machines that are relatively light weight unballasted. They have options to add front weight, liquid, implements or dead weight (ballast box) on rear. They’re intended to be ballasted appropriately for the tasks you have for it. For some, that’s no ballast at all.
Sounds like your uses require adding weight to the rear. If you finish mow with it or have some other task where you need it light at times, I would suggest a ballast box or some heavy implement you can put on the three point for loader work and remove for finish mowing, etc. If you don’t have a task which requires the rear to be light, I’d fill the rears, see how it performs, and add weight to the 3 point as needed.
YMMV.
Hopefully someone with your model will weigh in with specifics of rear ballast needed to utilize full capacity of the loader.
3 point ballast has the advantage of transferring weight from the front axle to rear, which is arguably an advantage over wheel weights or liquid ballast for loader work. That may or may not be intuitive, but the physics of that has been beat to death in several other threads.
Wheel weights and liquid ballast are better for increased traction. (A 550lb box blade is decent counterweight for loader work but does nothing to increase traction when it’s on the ground cutting dirt.)
Liquid ballast adds much more weight than wheel weights and is less expensive. Your wheels may or may not have the option of weights. (Check the OM for your model for details.)
Liquid ballast is better at increasing stability due to having a COG lower than the axle in contrast to wheel weights which have COG at axle center. (A tractor tire “full” of liquid is ~75% liquid, 25% air by volume.)
Tractors the size of ours are multi-use machines that are relatively light weight unballasted. They have options to add front weight, liquid, implements or dead weight (ballast box) on rear. They’re intended to be ballasted appropriately for the tasks you have for it. For some, that’s no ballast at all.
Sounds like your uses require adding weight to the rear. If you finish mow with it or have some other task where you need it light at times, I would suggest a ballast box or some heavy implement you can put on the three point for loader work and remove for finish mowing, etc. If you don’t have a task which requires the rear to be light, I’d fill the rears, see how it performs, and add weight to the 3 point as needed.
YMMV.
Hopefully someone with your model will weigh in with specifics of rear ballast needed to utilize full capacity of the loader.
My 3301's rears were filled. Never had any issues cutting up or down my fairly steep pond damn. Kept her in the L, Loader on, down low, and always in 4wd. All for safety.
Thank you all for your input!
I have researched using a ballist box and settled on filling tires with aintifreeze and it will give me about 600lbs of added weight on the rear.
Hope that will be enought.
Don
I have researched using a ballist box and settled on filling tires with aintifreeze and it will give me about 600lbs of added weight on the rear.
Hope that will be enought.
Don