Useful life of flexible hydraulic lines?

K7KY

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I have an L-35 w/1,184hrs, about 16yrs/old. I'm wondering about replacement b4 failure. How long do they usually last? Should I preemptively replace then at XX,xxx hrs, or XX years? It looks like an extensive/expensive task. I'd prefer replacing them b4 they fail, but I don't want to do it unnecessarily.
Thanks for your input.
 

Captain13

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Read this:


its hard to say. My tractor stays in a barn when not in use. I inspect the hoses just like this article says...once a month. I keep chaffing material anywhere the hose touches anything. You do not want a pressure hose to go off on you. It can cause severe burns or worse, inject hydraulic fluid through the skin. So I don’t have an answer. If a hose is seeping, worn or has been kinked, replace it. Mine are ten years old but in good condition. I worked at a place that made hydraulic hoses and I never saw a farmer replace one that hadn’t failed. However, if you are seeing signs of outer hose wore, replace it.
 

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I still have some original on my 98. I only use it for hobby work around my lot. If I were to use it for my livelihood I would replace them to prevent downtime.
 

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Total crapshoot on replacement. I have original hoses on both my M's (2002 and 2004) and both are farmed with and the loaders used extensively. All rub points are overwrapped with hose lengths and securely zip tied to prevent unnecessary movement.

Remember, ALL high pressure hydraulic hoses have a rubber outer coating but the inner jacket is braided stainless or mild steel wire so burst failure will be rare, Most times they fail at a fitting, not along the hose unless the hose chafes or rubs against something.

I have no intention of replacing any hoses unless they fail and that has not occurred yet. One has 6000 meter hours on it, the other has 3000 meter hours.

IMO, replacing hoses just because is false economy.
 
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I have an L-35 w/1,184hrs, about 16yrs/old. I'm wondering about replacement b4 failure. How long do they usually last? Should I preemptively replace then at XX,xxx hrs, or XX years? It looks like an extensive/expensive task. I'd prefer replacing them b4 they fail, but I don't want to do it unnecessarily.
Thanks for your input.
These links will give you an idea of how difficult to impossible it is to answer your simple question.

There are operating conditions where failure is intolerable. An aircraft especially military, equipment operating on water where an environmental cleanup would be very expensive. In these situations there is usually a history which guides replacement timelines.

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PoTreeBoy

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I have an L-35 w/1,184hrs, about 16yrs/old. I'm wondering about replacement b4 failure. How long do they usually last? Should I preemptively replace then at XX,xxx hrs, or XX years? It looks like an extensive/expensive task. I'd prefer replacing them b4 they fail, but I don't want to do it unnecessarily.
Thanks for your input.
Do you want to replace them a week before they fail or 5 minutes? jk My L35 is about 16 years old, and by the looks of the paint I'd say it's spent a fair amount of time in the sun. It has probably twice the hours yours has. In the year that I've had it, I've replaced 12 (I think) hoses and repacked 5 cylinders on the backhoe plus 1 or 2 main hoses. My experience:
1 Cylinders rarely completely fail suddenly. So you just have to endure a drip while waiting on re-pack kits without incurring down time. When a hose goes, it has to be fixed now. You can have them made locally at NAPA or other places. But the fitting nut on the dipper hose I had made was one wrench size bigger and I had to grind out the slot in the boom where the hose exits. So far, I've found the hoses to be cheaper from Kubota, but they're not dealer stock.
2 If either of the 2 main pressure hoses fail, you're dead in the water. Mine failed as I was trying to use the loader to get unstuck. So I couldn't use the backhoe either. When you pressure up even a pin hole, that $25/gal fluid goes fast.
3 On the L35 backhoe (BT900), 6 hoses from the valve go through the shoulder joint between the pivot pin and the boom cylinder's bottom pin. And the boom cylinder is inside the boom so it's not easily accessible. Depending on how you value your time (and enjoy greasy wrenching) it might be smart to replace those 6 hoses and repack that cylinder when the first one goes. I had a drip coming out of that joint but I couldn't tell where the leak was. I ordered 2 hoses and the kit. The leak was in a hose, so to save ~$75 I replaced the hoses and sent the kit back. I should have bit the bullet. Now I've replaced those 6 hoses and I'll have to take the cylinder back out when it goes. Dumb.
4 Mark both ends of every hose with an engraver. Don't trust a permanent marker. On the loader you can do one hose at a time and see the entire thing, but on the hose, sometimes it's necessary to take several off at the same time. If you get even a couple crossed, you can waste a lot of time and brain cells figuring it out.
5 Wrap your hoses to prevent wear. I've been replacing the plastic spiral wrap, but this is time consuming to put on. You may prefer the fabric type and want to order it ahead of time.
So, it depends on how you value your time and downtime. Yeah, some of the hoses and kits (BTW, there's a serial number break so you'll need SN's on your hoe and loader to order parts) are pricy so you can factor that in. Some of the hoses are easy to get to, so replacing them is no big deal. Others, not so much.
 
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If it's a machine that requires high availability and zero downtime then hose changes might be in the Preventative Maintenance schedule. If it's a safety related item then I would change the hoses at the required intervals. If the CUT was that critical then I'd probably have a second machine as backup.

On farm equipment like CUT's I would replace hoses as required...on failure. Sometimes the philosophy of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is the better policy.

PoTreeBoy gives good advise.
 

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If you do replace hoses, even a single hose, buy the plastic screwin plugs ! If the new hoses have just 'presson ' caps...they'll come off at the wost time....
..also be sure to blow the hose(s) with compressed air BEFORE you connect !! Just in case 'something' got inside the hose.....
 

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also be sure to blow the hose(s) with compressed air BEFORE you connect !! Just in case 'something' got inside the hose.....
I'll take it one step further. Air, a shot of solvent, then air again. I say this because the hot rubber dust gets very sticky when the new hose is being cut with an abrasive wheel.
 
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If you do replace hoses, even a single hose, buy the plastic screwin plugs ! If the new hoses have just 'presson ' caps...they'll come off at the wost time....
..also be sure to blow the hose(s) with compressed air BEFORE you connect !! Just in case 'something' got inside the hose.....
Rinse with brake cleaner and then blow out before installing.