Tractor won't start after adding fuel

noobhomesteader

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Hi,

I inherited a Kubota B6200HST and it ran out of gas. I refilled the gas tank but now the tractor won't start. Any advice for a complete noob?

Thank you in advance!
 

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Hope you didn't add gas, that would be a problem.
 

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If you refilled it with diesel, follow the bleeding procedures from the operators manual in the below attachment.
 

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Your tractor doesn't have a fuel pump like a gasoline engine. It's more like a lawn mower depending on gravity to get the fuel to the pump. Air pockets will form in the lines when the tractor is run out of fuel. That is why you need to follow the bleeding procedure. Start with the bleed location closest to the fuel tank and work your way to the fuel pump.
 

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Not toast but more work! Take a few pictures of the fuel lines before starting.

Drain the fuel mixture from the fuel tank, change the fuel filters (not sure how many filters you have), detach fuel lines and drain or blow through them. I wouldn’t disconnect any lines beyond the injection pump.

Then put everything back together, get the correct fuel for winter in Idaho, fill the tank with the diesel fuel, bleed and start tractor.

Use the old mixture of fuel for something that is not an engine unless you’re sure it is mostly gasoline then you can use it if you want.
 
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Well, if it tried to start (with gasoline in it) and didn't, you certainly did 'jack' something up. Hard to say what but if you replace the fuel with diesel and purge all the lines and it still won't start, you'll know for certain you 'jacked' it up real good.
 

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Don't let the doom and gloom fake newsers suck the life out of you. Listen to what Russell and wgator said .... more than likely you'll be fine. Lesson learned.
 
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It sounds like you ran the tractor our of fuel and then added gasoline and tried to start it, but it did not run after trying to start it, is that right? If so, it is highly unlikely that you damaged anything. Just purge the gasoline from the fuel system and follow the instructions that Russel King provided. You should be okay if you do that.
 
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Fortunately you have an older style diesel engine and is not damaged by a bit of gas, even if it started. Since it did not start you'll be fine. As mentioned drain all the liquid in the DIESEL tank, and install a new fuel filter (which you need to get at a Kubota dealer). Fill with clean fuel obtained from a local busy truck stop (best method to get fresh fuel), then proceed with the air bleeding process.
 
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Just in general man I'd really read the manual, cover to cover. Sit down with a cup of coffee and go through the entire thing. Even if you don't use all of the information, the next time something happens on your tractor you may vaguely remember the manual discussing it. If you follow the manual carefully you reduce problems in a big way.
 
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Well, if it tried to start (with gasoline in it) and didn't, you certainly did 'jack' something up. Hard to say what but if you replace the fuel with diesel and purge all the lines and it still won't start, you'll know for certain you 'jacked' it up real good.
That is total BS, he has not "jacked" anything. Why do you find it necessary to come on here and lie to people that are looking for honest, truthful advice or help?????? Putting gas in a diesel tank and trying to start is not that uncommon. We see it probably a dozen or so times a year and no one has "jacked" anything yet.
 
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That is total BS, he has not "jacked" anything. Why do you find it necessary to come on here and lie to people that are looking for honest, truthful advice or help?????? Putting gas in a diesel tank and trying to start is not that uncommon. We see it probably a dozen or so times a year and no one has "jacked" anything yet.
What you say is true. I accidentally put gasoline in my 2009 VW Jetta TDI and it did no damage whatsoever. Where I live all diesel pumps have a green pump handle. I was on a trip through Wyoming and stopped for fuel at a green handle pump. I smelled gasoline after I pumped about a gallon or a little more. That made the mixture in the tank abou 1/3 gasoline. I had to drive about 20 miles with that gas in the tank before I found a diesel station. It did not hurt anything including the High Pressure Fuel Pump.

The OPs tractor is an older vintage that is much less prone to harm than my VW was.I is highly unlikely that anything was harmed at all.
 
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Several yrs back my daughter had owned a Dodge dually with Cummins diesel engine for several yrs. She called me telling me the engine started emitting while smoke out of the tailpipe. She had driven it about 50 miles since refueling. I opened fuel tank cap & it had the smell of gasoline. I quizzed her & in a "blonde moment" she had put gasoline in the diesel tank. I drained tank, changed fuel filter, installed some DIESEL then bled fuel system then engine started with no white smoke out emitting out of TP . She drove it several more yrs with no major problems. I think gasoline in newer high tech common rail systems won't be as forgiving as older IP's.
 

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The nay-sayers are not completely wrong. Running a diesel engine -- of any vintage -- on gasoline or gasoline contaminated fuel is a big no-no. It can cause damage in the same way as trying to start it with ether (quick-start spray). Anyone who has done it and got away with it was just plain lucky.

However, since the engine didn't start, it is highly unlikely that any lasting damage occurred. Russel King's excellent advice should get you going.
 

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The nay-sayers are not completely wrong. Running a diesel engine -- of any vintage -- on gasoline or gasoline contaminated fuel is a big no-no. It can cause damage in the same way as trying to start it with ether (quick-start spray). Anyone who has done it and got away with it was just plain lucky.

However, since the engine didn't start, it is highly unlikely that any lasting damage occurred. Russel King's excellent advice should get you going.
Farmers have been adding 25% gas to their diesel in the winter for 50 years and I know for a fact that many of those engines ran over 10,000 hours. As long as they are the old low-pressure mechanical pump system, you will not destroy it.
If gas is that destructive to an engine, how does a gas engine survive??????????????
 
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The very first diesel engine was designed to run on gasoline. That engine is not in our tractors. Similarly, old diesel engines sometimes incorporated an ether injection system for cold starts. Those engines are not in our tractors either. For example, the old WD40 had a 16: or 17:1 compression ratio -- well below the 22:1 of the OP's engine -- and was designed to start on high-octane gasoline, switching over to diesel once warmed up. So what some farmer got away with 50 years ago does not necessarily apply to today's diesel engines.

Diesel engines inject fuel under high pressure (in the case of the OP's tractor, about 2,000 psi) into the combustion chamber as the piston nears the top end of it's stroke. At those pressures, the fuel auto-ignites so engine timing is determined by the injectors. Gas engine ignition is controlled by a precisely timed spark since gasoline is more volatile with a lower flash point, requiring much lower compression pressures.

The flame in an gas engine can propagate at 90 to 120 m/s. This is considerably faster than the fuel leaves the injectors in a diesel engine, so assuming both fuels begin to ignite at the exact moment of injection, gasoline is completely combusted long before diesel would be. Combustion chamber pressures are dramatically higher because most or all of that combustion takes place while the piston is still rising. The designed engine timing is dependent upon the slower combustion rate of the diesel.

So: your tractor, your choice. If you want to put gasoline in it, then that's up to you. But don't expect Kubota to warranty it.
 

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Farmers have been adding 25% gas to their diesel in the winter for 50 years and I know for a fact that many of those engines ran over 10,000 hours. As long as they are the old low-pressure mechanical pump system, you will not destroy it.
And IMHO common-rail fuel systems DO NOT fall into the 50 yrs ago scenario. My neighbor got some H20 in the fuel tank of his '15 8540. Then some Fungus grew in tank. Engine stopped running. Local Kubota technician replaced IP & injectors to the tune of $8500. I've had H20 in several fuel tanks since I started custom farming in '87 with no major problems. Just remove the water, add biocide treatment. change filter, bleed air out system & start engine. I don't & won't own common-rail diesel system.

Do I think the B6200HST that this thread originated about can be refueled, filter changed, air removed from fuel system & engine started YES I do until proven otherwise!
 
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