Tractor & Loader Weight...Too heavy for my trailer?

[LDowney]

Hey guys. Picking up my new L Grand 4060 HSTC Monday. The specs on the tractor weight are 4,134 lbs. I can't find the exact weight of the LA805 loader. I think it's around 1,400 lbs. With the rear tires holding 50 gallons of ballast which translates to around 800 lbs. That gives me a total weight of 6,334 lbs. I have a 2,400 lb trailer with 8,000 axles.

Problem is if I carry attach any of my implements, I will be well over the 8k trailer total. My dealership told me today guys haul around my tractor all day long on 7k lbs axel trailers with no problems.

I'm just wondering should I bite the bullet and sell my nearly brand new 8k trailer and move up to a 10k trailer? I hate to buy such a beefy, heavy trailer and spend the extra $500-$700 for moving up but I don't want to get pulled by DMV and ticketed.

Thoughts? Anyone out there pulling this type of load on an 8k trailer?

 

[eng1886trk]

My opinion of trailers is pretty straight forward.

- Buy the largest rated that your tow vehicle can pull without requiring a CDL. (Example - My F350 is rated at 11,500 and I tow a trailer at 14,000 = 25,500gvwr / PA CDL requirements are when your GVWR exceeds 26,001)

- Larger trailer = Better brakes, wheels, tires, and structure.

- Buy a better drop leg jack with a higher weight rating. (Get what you pay for)

- Always buy a trailer 2 feet longer than you think you need. (Probably everyone single person's biggest regret)

 

[aeronutt]

If you're just getting it home one time, it's not worth buying a bigger trailer. If you plan on hauling this load on a regular basis, the upgrade may cost less than 1 visit with the highway patrolman or worse yet, an insurance claim that gets denied because you weren't rated to haul that load.

I once hauled 11k on a trailer that has two 3500lb axles and nothing broke. Was it smart? Nope. That was a scary ride and the reason I now own a 14K gooseneck. Hauling something without the frame breaking is easy. Stopping a heavy load when some punk kid cuts you off in traffic requires properly rated equipment. You will NEVER regret having a better trailer, a longer trailer, a bigger tow vehicle, or great brakes.

 

[aarolar]

Re: Tractor & Loader Weight...Too heavy for my trailer?

I second what aeronutt says, I too have hauled some heavy stuff on a 8k lb trailer but I wouldn't want to do it often.

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[North Idaho Wolfman]

LDowney,
Something doesn't add up???
If it has 8000 Lb axles and its a tandem then it would rate out in the 12-13K range.
How many lugs do the axles have?
What are the size and rating of tires?

 

[rjcorazza]

What I found for my LA805 :
1279 lbs Loader w/o bucket
* 331 lbs bucket (10.9 cf struck, 13.1 heaped)

My rears are also loaded, for a total of about 6600 lbs. I estimated the fluid in the tires at 1000 lbs total (17.5L-24). I have a 7k gw trailer that I will not be using for the new L4060. I wasn't really that fond of trailering the previous L3410 on it either, even though I was within the weight limits.

 

[kenmac]

LDowney,
Something doesn't add up???
If it has 8000 Lb axles and its a tandem then it would rate out in the 12-13K range.
How many lugs do the axles have?
What are the size and rating of tires?

NIW...... Maybe he means the trailer is 8k total gvw.???

 

[bcbull378]

Buy a heavier trailer nothing worse than stress it's the silent killer . Once you have a heavier trailer youve done all you can to avoid an accident . Over the years I've seen some trailer accidents that were avoidable only if someone had been thinking . Enjoy your new tractor .

 

[LDowney]

Sorry guys. Had a password issue. Was locked out for a few days. Anyway. Yes, my trailer has two 4k axels.

I ordered a 10k GVWR trailer. Means I can now carry 7,600 lbs. Larger tires, stronger brakes, heavier trailer. Bitting the bullet and making the upgrade.

I just hope after talking with a friend tonights the 20 ft. trailer will be long enough for my new tractor with loader and bush hog. Going to measure the total length Wednesday.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[Billdog350]

In addition to all above points, ESTIMATES and oem numbers are sometimes close, and sometimes they're totally off base.

It never hurts to swing by a CAT scale (or local gravel pit) and find out what you actually weigh...its even better to weigh the trailer and rig empty and again with the tractor....this way you're not guessing what your weight is and buying $$$$$ trailers when you might be well within the safety margin.

JMO. I always try to weigh my setup so I know actual weight.

 

[nickelplated5s]

Remember, some of the weight transfers to the hitch.

 

[kcw12]

I would hesitate a bit to pull it with that setup. Just be easy and act like you have no brakes

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[FrozenInTime]

I spent the extra and picked up a 10k trailer. Hauls my equipment nicely. Don't haul my BX much, but do haul a lot of old allis chalmers tractors. I like the larger weight, much less stressful to me.