Tire bulging out the side

Vigo

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Tires have cords within their layers that give them the strength to hold air pressure. A balloon will grow and grow until it pops without ever getting past 2psi. A tire may change shape under inflation pressure but it does not stretch unless cords break. Once they DO break, that section of the tire becomes like a balloon, where pressure on the inside (normal inflation pressure, or dynamic pressure spikes from tire hitting things) will stretch the rubber until it fails. It's much thicker than a balloon, but it WILL stretch and it WILL pop, and the only question is when.

I agree the stakes are lower on a tiny tractor (probably..) than a high speed vehicle, but given the loader and the possibly of a sudden side-to-side rocking from a tire failure while a heavy load is held high leading to tipping over, I would just recommend to replace it as soon as possible anyway.

Also, the cords break from the tires impacting things. Low pressure can contribute because low pressure allows the tire itself to flex further than they otherwise would when they hit something. You'd need a high-speed camera to see it, but a lot of 'pothole' / impact damage is because the sidewall was momentarily folded flat or kinked under a large force. A properly inflated tirew basically splits the force between its own flexing, and just moving the tractor it's attached to, but a low enough pressure tire will take more of the force in its own flexing and transfer less of it to moving the tractor. Good ride quality! But poor tire durability as far as the sidewalls are concerned. Ironically the tread area is less likely to puncture at lower pressure, so it's a tradeoff. Long story short, run recommended pressure and up it to max if you are putting more than the recommended weight on the tire due to loader work.

To get some context on what's happening to the weight on the front tires with a loader, here's an interesting vid: Graph showing relationship of loader payload to front axle weight.
It is NOT a 1:1 ratio. I set the link to the exact time he starts showing the graph and showing the results of his test.
 
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Exactly! PTO shafts are waiting to catch the unwary, blades themselves can shoot off fragments if they contact a solid object, high pressure injection lines (particularly on a common rail diesel) can shoot a blinding stream of fuel, etc. Farming is one of the most dangerous occupations because of a combination of fatigue and equipment and it can be even more hazardous for those not experienced. When I bought my Deere 955 compact utility in 1995, the graphic warning emblems on the PTO shafts definitely got my attention since I had no desire to end up wrapped around one. If you want to avoid a lot of risk, hire someone else to do everything for you (and make sure that you carefully check references so that you aren't hiring a serial killer :) ) but risks in life are not fully avoidable.

I am a marketing professor by degree but I spent a lot of my career doing enterprise risk management and understanding risk is something that has become habitual. Risk management doesn't mean risk avoidance but rather understanding and managing risk. I would never head out for a high speed highway run with a tire that has a bulging sidewall and I am at least as attentive to the very thin 120 PSI tires on my Trek road bicycle but if my tractor or wheelbarrow had a bulging sidewall I would plan on getting it replaced soon to avoid failure at an inconvenient time but I wouldn't worry about finishing a task with it. Most equipment owners are going to take dumb shortcuts at one time or another (the slope really isn't that steep, I don't need to set the parking brake, I can clear this jam with the PTO still running, etc. that are truly foolish). Proper risk management is like buying insurance, which itself is a subset of risk management. By the time you need it, it is to late to do/buy it.

I enjoy the field of risk management and consulting work I did in this area during the dot com boom paid for my early retirement but I always keep in mind that it is management, not just avoidance. My daughter was 3 when I took her on our first father/daughter camping and hiking trip to the Colorado Rockies. Anna was sitting at the picnic table while I was setting up the tent and by the time I had the tent set up I had just about convinced myself that it would be safer to stay in a hotel with her given some of the previous adventures I had experienced while camping in the Rockies. When I finished setting up, Anna proudly showed me the little wooden balls she had found on the ground to play with. I gently informed her she had found animal poop :) That was the worst thing that happened on the trip and anything that cleans up with soap and water was never a problem in the first place. We had a great trip with elk wandering through our campsite each evening and a moose stuck its head through the back window of the pickup one morning as we were heading out; fun experiences that never would have happened at a hotel.

Rodger

Rodger, what you describe is exactly how we, as humans, develop common sense. We're not born with it, we learn it. Each person make choices, then if they can evaluate how that choice resulted in making things better (or worse) they add that to their memory for future reference. Latter in life, for most people, someone says, "Ole Robert has a lot of common sense". Which really means Robert made a lot of choices for himself and was good at deciding which ones to repeat!

On the contrary, if someone has no common sense it simply means they haven't made decisions on their own or learned from other's choices to formulate ideas for good results.

Your example of your daughter's discovery will be in her memory bank forever, and probably help her make outcomes better from her choices in other areas also. Stepping stones to success.
 
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Using the logic of some that this tire is going to kill or maim someone, you better tell the OP to stop using his mower deck too. The mower deck has just as much chance of killing or maiming someone when it launches a projectile out of, like a stone, when in use.
There are certain inherent risks we take any time we operate farm machinery. Your point is well taken and expanded upon (below your post) by @RBsingl Post #39

It is well to recognize such risks, and do all we reasonably can to avoid/mitigate such risks.

The only place I deviate from your analogy is with respect to separating that which is 'likely' from that which is 'possible'. I know that sounds like they are the same thing.....but indulge me.

It is certainly 'possible' for a rotatory mower to project an object struck. Any of us with many hours mowing on rough or unfamiliar grounds have experienced this (a rock, limb, other object struck).

I've certainly had objects projected with enough force (over a short distance) to injure a person. It doesn't happen often, but it 'can' happen.

The fact that it can/does occur.... then moves our concern to how 'likely' it is to happen.

Of course, 'likelihood' is generally determined by circumstance. How rough is the area you are mowing, do you have safety chains or rubber baffles on your mower, etc.... This is simple risk management.

What I assert about the OP's tire bulge (fairly new, 4 ply, low pressure tire) is that it simply isn't 'possible' for it to explode in the manner some think it will.

So we can throw 'likelihood' right out the window on this one. It isn't going to happen. Not a static load anyway (tire at rest, no additional dynamic loading).

No need for unnecessary fears or concern. Remove the valve stem (deflating the pressure), remove tire and rim, take to tire store and replace. Done deal. Everyone lived and life goes on.
 
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Tires have cords within their layers that give them the strength to hold air pressure. A balloon will grow and grow until it pops without ever getting past 2psi. A tire may change shape under inflation pressure but it does not stretch unless cords break. Once they DO break, that section of the tire becomes like a balloon, where pressure on the inside (normal inflation pressure, or dynamic pressure spikes from tire hitting things) will stretch the rubber until it fails. It's much thicker than a balloon, but it WILL stretch and it WILL pop, and the only question is when.

I agree the stakes are lower on a tiny tractor (probably..) than a high speed vehicle, but given the loader and the possibly of a sudden side-to-side rocking from a tire failure while a heavy load is held high leading to tipping over, I would just recommend to replace it as soon as possible anyway.

Also, the cords break from the tires impacting things. Low pressure can contribute because low pressure allows the tire itself to flex further than they otherwise would when they hit something. You'd need a high-speed camera to see it, but a lot of 'pothole' / impact damage is because the sidewall was momentarily folded flat or kinked under a large force. A properly inflated tirew basically splits the force between its own flexing, and just moving the tractor it's attached to, but a low enough pressure tire will take more of the force in its own flexing and transfer less of it to moving the tractor. Good ride quality! But poor tire durability as far as the sidewalls are concerned. Ironically the tread area is less likely to puncture at lower pressure, so it's a tradeoff. Long story short, run recommended pressure and up it to max if you are putting more than the recommended weight on the tire due to loader work.

To get some context on what's happening to the weight on the front tires with a loader, here's an interesting vid: Graph showing relationship of loader payload to front axle weight.
It is NOT a 1:1 ratio. I set the link to the exact time he starts showing the graph and showing the results of his test.

Spot on....! (y)
 
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talk to the sales team about buying an "assembly", the tire already mounted on a rim. I have heard that this is at times a cheaper route to go then buying and mounting a tire.
 

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yes, the 'assembly' is cheaper AND as I found out this year ,there's TWO different prices ! Order from Kubots from 'door #1' and its $250, from 'door #2 it's only $150. Orer #1 and it's there in 3-7 days, #2..maybe a month. Funny as BOTH come from the SAME warehouse......
 

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My long time friend B. Edmond lived most of his life with only one eye…because at age 18 he was airing up a tire with a bulge (just to drive it to the tire store for replacement) …when the bulge “popped” and sent fibers into his right eye. He lived his entire adult life with that problem.
As an eight year old i aired up a bicycle tire at the gas station and ”exploded” it… which blew the bike wheel/rim inward where the bead ruptured. Took a month for Schwinn to obtain a replacement for that special rim shape. Glad I wasn’t hurt.
There’s good reason I’m leery of damaged tires.
 
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As an eight year old i aired up a bicycle tire at the gas station and ”exploded” it…
I guess we need to be wary of air pressure as kids...

I remember being at a gas station airing up our bicycle tires. Three of us. One was the son of a local doctor. The air line had a control end that had a squeeze handle, pressure gage, and flexible hose you put on the valve stem.

For some reason this doctor's son, put the end of the hose in his mouth and squeezed the lever. I still laugh when I think about it. His eyes looked like they were going to pop out of his head, and snot shot out of his nostrils...

Not sure what he was thinking...but I guess he must of inherited his mother's genes, rather than his father's!
 
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