Swing arm chain breaking

jimpic

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I have a L 650 back hoe and am having trouble with swing arm chain breaking . I have talked to Kabota dealer and told to tighten slack of chain. I have done this and still have the same problem. I also can't find replacement posts for chain link and am using a 1/4 inch grade 8 bold that gives me an hour or two before that breaks. Is it an adjustment or finding something stronger than grade 8 steel? Thanks in advance
Jim
 

gpreuss

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I have broken 20-30 master links with mine, as well as the slide bar twice. Truth is, it is a crummy design. Worse truth is that they were still offering the same design in 2004!
Just recently I decided to overhaul my K650. I have a small thread going in fabrication, called "K650 Backhoe Restore" that might shed some light.
Basically, the arm is going too fast. If you have a multi-speed PTO, make sure you use low - the 540 rpm one. You can feather the control to get the arm swinging, the problem is when you try to stop it, it stops all at once and breaks something.
Some time ago I put a needle valve on one of the swing cylinder hydraulic lines, but that didn't do enough. The side with no restriction would still let the oil rush out, and break the link when you stopped. Now I have two flow control valves - one on each side of the cylinder. They cost about $55 each. They have built-in check valves, so they just restrict the out-going flow on each end. I have them adjusted so it takes over half a minute to swing stop to stop in either direction. Better slow than broke.
I'll make it home later on in the week, and proceed with the restoration. First I'll give the hoe a good workout digging rocks to see if I have solved the problem. If not I'll be adding a couple of cylinders to make it work like a "real" backhoe.
Despite its shortcomings, I have done a lot with the backhoe in the past. You get pretty good at starting the swing with a full bucket, and smashing it into the ground before you stop it.
I hope this helps.
 

gpreuss

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I forgot to say the master link is a 60 pitch HD. That is about an eighth inch deeper than normal. Big R has them on the shelf.
 

Kytim

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I think what the poster meant was 30 sec. to go from stop to stop, a full swing left to right. This thread just shows the power of HYD. It's amazing when a liquid can result in torn/sheared metal.
 

gpreuss

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Stumpy, it takes about 30 seconds to swing from full right over to full left, or vice-versa. My reckoning is that if it never gets going fast, it won't be really hard to stop it.
The land around me is hilly. Often the king post is out of vertical. If it is leaning back, the load starts to accelerate in the swing; it can push the oil out of one side of the cylinder faster than it goes in the other? At least that is what it looks like. When you stop it, it blocks off both sides of the cylinder abruptly, and "snap!" something is broken.
This all has me wondering how "real" backhoes work - I've never used one. I still imagine terrific forces on the swing mechanism. I just figure the iron in them can handle the forces better than a motorcycle chain. Do they also have some sort of flow control?